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George L. Lorton
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Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1635
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 5:52 pm: | 
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Hello Michael,
quote:Can someone illucidate please? Where did these mysterious crates of butter and cheese appear from?
That's what I like to know as well! Can somebody please tell me where is theory originally came from about the crates of butter or cheese came from. Although I bet it was from a special on Discovery Channel which if you might of missed, Michael. Don't feel bad because you didn't miss much.
quote:I suspect this is something that Simpson conjured up when he wrote that some of the passenger accommodation had been removed to store the huge quantity of (imaginary) High Explosive!
Sounds like a winner to me. I'll second your suspicions till we find out the truth about the butter and cheese theory. Although according to the manifest and the show on Discovery which brought this to my attention 7 crates of butter were kept in an unfridgerated compartment. The supposed theory is that it wasn't butter at all but high explosives!
quote:he told me the decks were rotten and many of the cabins and crew areas were in a poor state. She really was ready to go.
It's a pity she had to take all those people with her when she went.
Rhythm here, rhythm there, rhythm floating everywhere. Awh get with it, red hot rhythm now!
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Jim Kalafus
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Username: jak
Post Number: 5190
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 6:55 pm: |
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Just a thought. Most Americans had neither refrigerators or ice boxes. Butter was pressed, repeatedly, until no water remained in it to forestall rancidness. It was then wrapped in cheesecloth and stored in a cool corner of the basement, or a dugout-cellar.
I don't know how COMMERCIAL butter was dealt with, but if it was frozen solid, packed with insulators, and then stored in a cool area for the seven day crossing, it need not have been kept in a refrigerator. At least, not by what was considered 'normal' hygenic standards for most people in 1915.
One must, then, question the dedication of the researchers who introduced that tangent as a point of discussion. Did they take the time to discover HOW butter was shipped in 1915? WAS there something abnormal about how it was stored? Or, is this more of the same...
MY question actually concerns the works of art supposedly rolled up into tubes. Where does that detail come from? I ask because the potential for damaging a painting by rolling it, poster style, and then soldering it into a tube, seems great. Would not storing it flat, sandwiched BETWEEN two sheets of lead, and then sealing it inside of a slightly larger, insulated, wooden crate, have been better for the artwork? Just a thouhgt...I've never taken the time to look into this aspect of the disaster.
Still, it's the life you chose, I suppose. Good luck to you, come what may.
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George L. Lorton
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Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1637
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, March 1, 2009 - 7:15 pm: |
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quote:I don't know how COMMERCIAL butter was dealt with, but if it was frozen solid, packed with insulators, and then stored in a cool area for the seven day crossing, it need not have been kept in a refrigerator. At least, not by what was considered 'normal' hygienic standards for most people in 1915.
One must, then, question the dedication of the researchers who introduced that tangent as a point of discussion. Did they take the time to discover HOW butter was shipped in 1915? WAS there something abnormal about how it was stored? Or, is this more of the same...
Excellent Point Jim!
As for the Paintings, I guess you'd have to ask Sir Hugh ?Lastname? why he travelled with his painting the way he did. Perhaps he didn't want to bring attention to the fact he was traveling with such valuable paintings.
I want to know about the silent film the ?Magic Carpet? which was making the journey. I wonder if it survived at all? Probably not but you never know?
Rhythm here, rhythm there, rhythm floating everywhere. Awh get with it, red hot rhythm now!
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Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 25750
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, March 2, 2009 - 3:14 am: |
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>>That's what I like to know as well! Can somebody please tell me where is theory originally came from about the crates of butter or cheese came from.<<
Supposedly on the manifest. (So would the person who makes this claim be so kind as to show us the manifest?) Even if true, it hardly strikes me as a really big deal. If processed for shipment the way Jim stated, it really wouldn't need refrigeration, and on the North Atlantic run, those holds wouldn't exactly have been a tropical paradise.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Matthew Newman
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Username: matuatay
Post Number: 522
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 2, 2009 - 7:28 am: |
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I managed to miss both showings of this, dang it. Ah well, from the reviews I've seen here it sounds like I can wait until the next time around.
Matt Newman
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George L. Lorton
Member
Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1639
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 2, 2009 - 3:58 pm: |
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Hi Matthew,
You can wait Matthew, trust me! Forever and a day for this hokum drivel!
Rhythm here, rhythm there, rhythm floating everywhere. Awh get with it, red hot rhythm now!
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Jim Kalafus
Member
Username: jak
Post Number: 5193
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, March 2, 2009 - 4:14 pm: |
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Thing about Lusitania documentaries is, if you miss one there will be another, identical, one in a year or so.
The most unfortunate side effect of Simpson's book is that, while there were still plentiful survivors who MIGHT have talked, few were sought out~ everything centered on the munitions angle~ and now it is too late. So, basically, what one is reduced to is infinite permutations of:
The 1915 final sailing footage.
Still-frame of the German warning.
Generic grainy footage of a ship being torpedoed.
A sweep across the tangled remains of the hull.
Footage of the Old Church Graveyard.
Footage of Queenstown harbor.
Footage of the old head of Kinsale.
More footage of a sweep actoss the wreck, but from a different angle.
Animation, computer generated or other, of the ship being torpedoed.
Another sweep across the hull.
More footage of the Old Church Graveyard, to end on a haunting note.
Then, just add to that some linking narration, and a tangent about some half-assed conspiracy that can't be proved at this point anyway:
Lusitania: Hollywood's victim (Encyclopedia Titanica Productions):
Narrator (in Halloween TV special type of portentious voice) Among the cargo was a shipment of motion pictures being brought back to England by Mr. Hounsell and Mr. Barry. And, these films carried a dangerous secret....
(Cut to)
MAN IN OFFICE: Nitrate film stock, upon which all films were printed prior to about 1950, was highly explosive. As it deteriorated, it actually synthesised into nitroglycerin. Most of the old film archives were destroyed by nitrate explosions in the 1920s 30s and 40s.
(Overlay grainy footage of some big fire,ca 1930)
Cut back to
NARRATOR: Could Nitrate Film be at the core of the mysterious second explosion?
Followed by 20 minutes of ambling, stupid experiments, and brief footage of the wreck, at the end of which we come to no conclusion.
So, see, there we have the next documentary.
They are all the same. So, if you missed the treasure hunt, don't feel bad!
Still, it's the life you chose, I suppose. Good luck to you, come what may.
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George L. Lorton
Member
Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1642
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 2, 2009 - 5:13 pm: |
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As I said before it's all a bunch of Hokum! Didn't even have any good pictures of the wreck.
Rhythm here, rhythm there, rhythm floating everywhere. Awh get with it, red hot rhythm now!
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Matthew Newman
Member
Username: matuatay
Post Number: 526
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 2, 2009 - 10:43 pm: |
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I can think of several names here at ET that REALLY need to be consulted before anyone puts together another documentary on Lucy or Titanic, for that matter.
I remember documentaries from PBS (of all places) in the 80's/90's that actually concentrated on the informative material versus playing with their special effects and CGI junk.
I swear, if I were a producer with some money behind me to put together a good documentary of one of our beloved ships, I'd hire on nothing but the experts here and fill that baby up with wreck images and analysis by our ET experts. Sounds like it would make for a much better presentation than the one being discussed here.
I was really hoping for a good Lucy doc too. Ugh! Maybe one day...
Matt Newman
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Jim Kalafus
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Username: jak
Post Number: 5196
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 - 12:16 am: |
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Possibly. The raw material is all there, even if time has now run out on getting interviews with survivors capable of remembering the disaster.
I would like to see a documentary that entirely avoided the munitions angle, and instead concentrated on the liner's harried final nine months, which is a better story.
Still, it's the life you chose, I suppose. Good luck to you, come what may.
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Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 25771
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 - 3:29 am: |
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>>I can think of several names here at ET that REALLY need to be consulted before anyone puts together another documentary on Lucy or Titanic, for that matter.<<
The hell of it is that sometimes they are consulted but if what they have to offer isn't "sexy" enough, the material gets binned. This doesn't happen with just the Lusitania productions but quite a few Titanic productions as well.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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George L. Lorton
Member
Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1647
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 - 6:55 am: |
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I myself would like to see a Lusitania Production with more info on the Passengers. A Documentary like A&E's Titanic Death Of A Dream and The Legend Lives On. Probably ain't gonna happen but still. Frankly I'd be happy if the Lusitania had it's own tribute site like ET is for Titanic. Encyclopedia Lusitania sure sounds swell. Ya hearing me, Phil!? No you done enough making this site for titanic and letting us Lusi Enthusiasts hang out!
The Lusitania Resource is no longer being up dated. That is a pity because that is a fine site with bios on the passengers and everything.
http://www.rmslusitania.info/pages/
Rhythm here, rhythm there, rhythm floating everywhere. Awh get with it, red hot rhythm now!
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George L. Lorton
Member
Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1648
Registered: 2-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 3, 2009 - 6:58 am: |
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quote:I would like to see a documentary that entirely avoided the munitions angle
You and everyone else forced to sit through such bogus drivel like that last one. I said it was a techie show but they didn't even get that part right.
Rhythm here, rhythm there, rhythm floating everywhere. Awh get with it, red hot rhythm now!
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sebastien eude
Member
Username: sebfrench76
Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - 8:06 am: |
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hi everybody!mail from Rouen,Normandie,France.Does anybody want some pictures of a Lusitania artefact owned by my family for a century?You'll be really amazed to see it,my mail is : seb@eude.com |
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