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Cliff Mark Barry
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Username: cb139
Post Number: 9
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 5:01 pm: | 
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Does anyone know what happened to infant John Stewart & Helen Smith after they were rescued from the Lusitania?
thanks
Cliff |
Geoff Whitfield
Member
Username: geoff
Post Number: 727
Registered: 11-2000
| | Posted on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 5:36 pm: |
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Helen Smith went to live with her grandparents in England. I don't know about John Stewart but he may have returned to Toronto after the war.
Geoff |
Eric Sauder
Member
Username: eric
Post Number: 195
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 6:11 pm: |
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I was in touch with a relative of Helen Smith's a while ago. She doesn't know what happened to her, but she's looking into it for me.
Eric Sauder |
Cliff Mark Barry
Member
Username: cb139
Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 6, 2002 - 7:02 pm: |
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Thanks Eric, Geoff
i thought i read Helen Smith went to live with her Grandparents in South Wales- will check when i'm there in October & if i find anything- will let you know
Cliff |
Cliff Mark Barry
Member
Username: cb139
Post Number: 15
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 1:36 pm: |
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Does anyone know where the remains of Mrs R D Shymer & William S Hodges are located?
many thanx
Cliff |
Geoff Whitfield
Member
Username: geoff
Post Number: 762
Registered: 11-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 3:06 pm: |
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There was a delay in the burial of Mrs Shymer. Her sister, Ann Justice, wrote complaining to Cunard about the state the body was in when received back in New York. She complained that the "cheap" coffin was full of sea water and Shymer was still in the clothes in which she was drowned. I assume William Hodges was interred in Philadelphia?
Geoff |
Jim Kalafus
Member
Username: jak
Post Number: 540
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 8:06 pm: |
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Geoff, do you know the approximate date she was returned to NY? I am checking with Woodlawn and Green-wood Cemeteries on a different project and, with a general date to work with might be able to find her if she was buried in either of the two. I have been casually looking for descendants of Ann Justis to see if the photo of Mrs. Shymer aboard the Lusitania on May 1st, which she supplied to the NY Tribune, has been preserved, and if others were taken. |
Brian Meister
Member
Username: davit16
Post Number: 124
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 9:04 pm: |
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Dear Geoff,
Master Hodges was originally interred in
Monument Cemetery in Philadelphia. The burial
ground was sold to developers and all graves
were exhumed and distribted amongst several
others. I have burial information and records
of the entire Hodges family if you are interes-
ted.
One of the persons I would like to straighten
out as far as burial is Amelia Macdona. The
newspapers claim that she was buried in
Woodlawn Cemetery on June 4th, but they claim
to not have a record for her. Did they just
miss it?
Regards,
Brian |
Eric Sauder
Member
Username: eric
Post Number: 210
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 7:10 am: |
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Jim, Mrs. Shymer was sent back to New York on the Philadelphia on May 26.
You wrote: "I have been casually looking for descendants of Ann Justis...."
If you're looking for her direct descendants, you're not going to find any. She died childless. Her sister was still a spinster when Anne died, and I don't know if she eventually had any children.
Brian, thanks for posting the bit about William Hodges. I remember you giving me that information before, but I didn't want to post it without your okay.
Eric |
Geoff Whitfield
Member
Username: geoff
Post Number: 763
Registered: 11-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 8:07 am: |
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Jim, Eric just answered! Her remains were sent to Messrs. Ooso & Co, 75. W.47th Street, New York.
Geoff |
Jim Kalafus
Member
Username: jak
Post Number: 541
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:30 pm: |
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Eric- Thanks for that information about the misses Justis. |
Geoff Whitfield
Member
Username: geoff
Post Number: 764
Registered: 11-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:36 pm: |
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I'm confused! Ann Justis spells her name Justice when she writes it!
Geoff |
Brian Meister
Member
Username: davit16
Post Number: 125
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 1:20 pm: |
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Geoff,
I concur, I have seen nothing but Justice.
Even in the paper article in New York. (?)
No takers on the Macdona mystery? |
Cliff Mark Barry
Member
Username: cb139
Post Number: 16
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 2:23 pm: |
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Does anyone know what her name was before she became Shymer? If she was married to a nobleman as stated several times and lived in the UK i could try and find out more about her from over here
Cliff |
Michael Findlay
Member
Username: mikef
Post Number: 136
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 3:07 pm: |
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Brian,
Amelia Macdona is buried at Woodlawn Cemetery in the Bronx. She is interred in the Birch Hill region, Section 77, Southwest part, Grave 7092.
The plot is located in one of the oldest sections of the cemetery - actually very close to Colonel Gracie's and Mrs. Cornell's graves if you remember our visits of long ago.
Regards,
Mike
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Eric Sauder
Member
Username: eric
Post Number: 212
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 5:09 pm: |
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Quite right, Geoff and Brian, her name was spelled Justice, not Justis.
Eric
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Brian Meister
Member
Username: davit16
Post Number: 127
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 12:41 am: |
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Mike,
I have to wonder why, when you called the
cemetery for Mrs Macdona several years ago,
they couldn't find it then? I suppose with
all those burials they may have over-looked
it at the time.
Glad to know I had the correct information
all along.
BRM |
Michael Findlay
Member
Username: mikef
Post Number: 138
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Friday, October 18, 2002 - 1:50 pm: |
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Hi Brian,
At last Woodlawn Cemetery's burial records are all in a computer database. Years ago, when we all looked for Mrs. Macdona, her burial card was either misfiled or overlooked entirely. I remember the days of the cemetery secretary having to enter a large vault with rusty old filing cabinets sorting through alphabetical burial cards. When the cemetery officials transferred their card catalog records to the computer database, Mrs. Macdona finally could be traced.
It was only within the last year that I contacted Woodlawn to obtain permission to have some Titanic memorial pictures reproduced. While I was in touch with some of the cemetery officials, I inquired about Mrs. Macdona once again. Sure enough, she turned up with a simple click of the mouse. I found it ironic that she was interred so close to a number of Titanic passengers.
Glad to have been of some help and to have helped clear up the mystery.
Mike
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Cliff Mark Barry
Member
Username: cb139
Post Number: 17
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 6:35 am: |
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Does anyone know what happened to Frank,Amy & Stuart Pearl after the Lusitania sank?
thanx
Cliff |
Eric Sauder
Member
Username: eric
Post Number: 216
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 7:39 am: |
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Hi, Cliff:
As you know, of the Pearl family, only Frederic, Amy, Audrey, and Stuart survivied. The two older girls (Amy and Susan) were both lost. Of the two nurses traveling with the Pearls, Alice Lines survived and lived to be over 100. Greta Lorenson was lost. Major Pearl and Alice Lines spent a number of days going through the morgues in Queenstown trying to find the two missing girls, but it seems that their bodies were not recovered.
The Pearl party occupied cabins E-51, 54, and 67 and paid $646.25 for the passage.
Although Americans, the Pearls settled in England. Major and Mrs. Pearl had more children after the sinking, including a daughter whom they named Amy Susan in honor of their two daughters who were lost. Stuart eventually moved to the drier climate of the southwestern United States for health reasons. Major Pearl died on January 2, 1952. Mrs. Pearl passed away on February 1, 1964, and Stuart died just shortly after his mother on March 13, 1964. Audrey is still alive and has been an incredible help in my research.
I've got a ton more information about them, but these are the basics. If there's anything else you need, please let me know.
Eric Sauder |
Margaret F. Winslow
Member
Username: maggie41
Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 12:35 am: |
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Does anyone know what happened to Grace French who survived the Lusitania? According to the "Pritchard Letters" she wrote, her last address was 46 Main Street in Renton, Scotland. My mother remembered Gracie visiting relatives in Norwich, Connecticut before 1915, but her family lost track of her after the rescue. |
Margaret F. Winslow
Member
Username: maggie41
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 9:12 pm: |
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A friend in Scotland sent two news articles about Grace French's later life. In an 1975 interview she
stated she almost missed the ship, was the last to board and later wished she had missed it! She was one of the longer lived adult (over 21) survivors. She lived to be almost 96; she died in Feb, 1986.
Some background: My grandmother was Gracie's second cousin and visited Gracie's family in 1900.
Gracie was 10 at the time and her brother Archie was 21. In 1908 he moved to New York City where he died in 1942. He never married as far as we know.
Gracie came over in 1911 (on the California); she was a dressmaker. She visited her brother as well as my grandmother(Sarah McDougall Buchanan) and her parents (John and Annie McDougall) in Norwich, CT
several times prior to 1915. My mother, Lucy Buchanan Winslow, was a girl of 10 at the time and always fondly remembered these visits of Gracie, then about 24. She is described as "attractive", "friendly" and "lively." She attracted the attention of Dick Pritchard and was strolling with him on the deck at the time of the attack. Apparently momentarily stunned, when she came to, Dick Pritchard had disappeared. There are four letters she wrote to the Senior Pritchard which can be obtained for 7.45 pounds from "docs@iwm.org,uk".
They are well written and vividly describe her survival. In 1926 she received compensation from Cunard for the lost of her belongings accumulated over four years.
In 1960, Gracie moved to Balloch, Scotland from Renton where she was known throughout the district for her millinery and dressmaking shop which she ran with a sister. The last ten years of her life were spent in Clydeview Eventide Home in Helensburgh, Scotland. She died in 1986 at age 95 "remembered as a 'marvelous personality' who was regarded with great affection by everyone who knew her." My mother died five months after Gracie in July, 1986 without ever knowing what happened to Gracie. However, my mother always spoke fondly of Gracie, often recall the kindness Gracie had shown her as a girl those many years before in Norwich. |
Cliff Mark Barry
Member
Username: cliff_mb
Post Number: 12
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 4, 2003 - 8:39 pm: |
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Shelley,
has there been any update on locating Purser Harkness? Its coming up for a year next month since your "brain trust appeal" i was wondering whether Barbara has finaly been given the information about him promised on this forum. It would be wonderful surprise. As she said in Newport in April, she has always wondered what had happened to him.
Cliff |
Shelley Dziedzic
Moderator
Username: shelley
Post Number: 1561
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 4, 2003 - 9:55 pm: |
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Not as of two weeks ago Cliff. I imagine it will be soon though- maybe in time for a birthday surprise. I know several people are still making some inquiries in the U.K. for more information. |
Cliff Mark Barry
Member
Username: cliff_mb
Post Number: 13
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 4, 2003 - 10:09 pm: |
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Thats a real shame, but if we could finish the memorial fundraising and have the stone in place by Barbara's birthday that would be fantastic!!!!
ps, how was Barbara's cookout last bank holiday? sorry i missed it,
Cliff |
Jim Kalafus
Member
Username: jak
Post Number: 903
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 4, 2003 - 11:01 pm: |
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Cliff- If you have the time, request his military pension records, which might be a good way of determining when he died, where he lived, and what family he left. |
Shelley Dziedzic
Moderator
Username: shelley
Post Number: 1562
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 4, 2003 - 11:17 pm: |
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Cliff- the barbecue is July 27th and it would seem half the free world is coming to toast Barbara - so photos will be forthcoming. |
Randy Bryan Bigham
Member
Username: rbigham
Post Number: 254
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 6, 2003 - 6:41 pm: |
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Looking forward to seeing Barbara and the rest of "ya'll" at the cook-out. |
Cliff Mark Barry
Member
Username: cliff_mb
Post Number: 15
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 6, 2003 - 6:55 pm: |
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Randy- wish i could be there!!! but i will see you all in Mystic in 2004. Let me know how good a cook Barbara is!!! i might just emigrate to Conneticut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cliff |
Randy Bryan Bigham
Member
Username: rbigham
Post Number: 255
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 6, 2003 - 8:49 pm: |
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Cliff,
I have a feeling Barbara may grill a mean steak! Wish you could be there, too. And I look forward to meeting you, as well as everybody else, in Mystic.
Randy |
