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Adam McGuirk
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Username: adam20
Post Number: 574
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 2:09 am: | 
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In the 1997 movie "Titanic", dozens of people are in the GrandStaircase in the final minutes left of the sinking. In the movie, they are either sucked in through windows when the bridge goes under or they were already there when the water was rushing in and had no way out. However, in "Titanic an Illustrated History", there is a painting of water rushing up the staircase and coming through the glass dome, but no one is in the staircase at that time. Is it known what depiction is correct?
Adam McGuirk |
Brian R Peterson
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Username: brian_peterson
Post Number: 176
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 4:33 am: |
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Hi Adam!
I know myself, if I were on the ship in the final moments, being inside and below decks would be a fatal combination. I think any passenger with common sense would have shied from being below decks on the forward part of the ship by 2 am.
Though it is possible that there were still passengers inside the Grand Staircase when it went under, we'll never know for sure because it is unlikely that anyone still inside that part of the ship when it went under lived to tell the tale.
Best Regards,
Brian |
George Pastarmatzis
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Username: fm123sparti
Post Number: 48
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 11:08 am: |
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Personally, I would have gone out of there much earlier on. In the movie, we see people just being there, unable to do anything but only wait to be drowned. I do not think it happened in this this way, at least not so many people would be there at that particular time without any other hope of survival. It was the place that one was the least likely to survive and I do not think many would be there intentionally. George ... |
Bob Godfrey
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Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 867
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 12:45 pm: |
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According to Colonel Gracie a large crowd of probably Third Class passengers were emerging onto the boat deck from the Grand Staircase during the final minutes. It's possible there were a lot more still inside on their way up. The prospects of how they got there are explored in the book Titanic at 2am. |
George Pastarmatzis
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Username: fm123sparti
Post Number: 80
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 1:10 pm: |
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Hi everybody! A similar question but under a completely different point of view: were there any accounts of people (passengers and/or crew) who never thought the collision as something serious and went on as usual and eventually died or at last got concerned and saved their own lives? What did those people do and why? They just slept to death??? Thanks!
George B. Pastarmatzis - Greece
Come to the Athens Olympic Games 2004
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George Pastarmatzis
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Username: fm123sparti
Post Number: 81
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 4:54 pm: |
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Any other comments on my last message above? Thanks!
George B. Pastarmatzis - Greece
Come to the Athens Olympic Games 2004
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George Pastarmatzis
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Username: fm123sparti
Post Number: 223
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 2, 2004 - 5:27 pm: |
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Hi! I just read in another site that a first class passenger was in a wheel chair and obviously had no way out to save himself and eventually died! Any more info about him or anyone else on that matter? Thank you!
George B. Pastarmatzis
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Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 7864
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 2:56 am: |
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It might help if you named that passenger. I'm not one of the people oriented types, but if I had a name, I might be able to dig something up in the biographies. 
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Lester Mitcham
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Username: lester
Post Number: 577
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 4:23 am: |
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The web-site if it is in English would also help! |
George Pastarmatzis
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Username: fm123sparti
Post Number: 225
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 7:44 am: |
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Hi all! I believe he was a young man who stayed in a cabin on A-deck and was part of a company who travelled back to America after a trip abroad. Also, he was not permanently crippled, he had some sort of an accident or such. That's all from me for now! Thanks!
George B. Pastarmatzis
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Lester Mitcham
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Username: lester
Post Number: 579
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 10:04 am: |
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Hi George,
I believe you are talking about J. Hugo Ross. My understanding is that he was ill with dysentery and was carried onboard Titanic on a stretcher. I have never seen any mention of a wheel chair. What web-site did you get your information from? |
Iain Stuart Yardley
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Username: boz
Post Number: 545
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 10:13 am: |
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Wasn't second class passeneger Richard Becker, aged 2, took aboard Titanic by wheelchair? I also read that his sister Ruth spent some time pushing Richard around deck in his chair. Richard had an illness which couldn't be treated in India, where the family had their mission, and they were headed for the U.S. for treatment.
Cheers,
Boz |
George Pastarmatzis
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Username: fm123sparti
Post Number: 226
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 10:45 am: |
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Hi Lester! That's him! I meant to say stretcher but I couldn't remember it in English! Do you have any more info about him? Thank you!
George B. Pastarmatzis
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Bob Godfrey
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Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 1218
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 11:04 am: |
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Young Richard Becker was an infant not yet 2 years old, so his conveyance was probably a standard 'pushchair', which would have been appropriate whatever his state of health. Babies graduated to the pushchair from the perambulator. Here's a pic of a 1916 example, and a sporty version from 1948, of the type which some of us might remember!
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Iain Stuart Yardley
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Username: boz
Post Number: 547
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 12:34 pm: |
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Is that you in one of those pushchairs Bob??? |
Bob Godfrey
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Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 1220
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 1:24 pm: |
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Yes, easily recognised from the nonchalant 'I'm a celebrity, get me out of here' pose. I note that you didn't rule out the chair on the left! |
David Gleicher
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Username: davidg
Post Number: 33
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 4:59 pm: |
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This incident, as mentioned, is discussed by Gracie, it is also repeated second-hand by Beesely, and is examined fairly closely in Quinn's Titanic at Two.
I think there is a reasonble account of how these passengers arrived where they were. The evidence, such that it is, is that the overwhelming majority of people, particularly passengers, who did not survive, were waiting in the public spaces of the stern of the ship, with some on the after Well and Poop Decks until the ship literally was about to break up and the angle of the ship in the water was accelerating precipitously.
At that point (around 2AM) there was a rush by those in the stern to get up to the upper decks. As someone wrote, once on Boat Deck the tendency was not to go forward but in fact to go aft.
Some of these people, one can surmise, however, did not try to go directly up from the stern, but went forward on the Bridge Deck. It would seem, then, that a large contingent of passengers who went forward, went up the after First Class stairway and/or the forward Second Class stairway. Since neither of these stairways continued directly to the Boat Deck, one can imagine that in desperation (this would be be as the ship was breaking apart) they headed further forward all the way to the Grand Staircase. They made it up to the Boat Deck just abaft of where Gracie was located alongside the officer's house.
DG |
Lester Mitcham
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Username: lester
Post Number: 580
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - 9:51 pm: |
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Hi George,
There is quite a bit of info on Ross in: Titanic the Canadian Story by Alan Hustak. |
