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Paul Lee
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Post Number: 1028
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Posted on Friday, November 5, 2004 - 1:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...interesting that QM Olliver and Boxhall were both given this order...any opinions?

Paul
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Samuel Halpern
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Posted on Friday, November 5, 2004 - 1:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Two different times. Olliver was sent to find the carpenter right after the collision, the same time the Boxhall was sent forward to look for damage. Olliver was told to tell the carpenter to take the draft of the ship. Boxhall was sent to find the carpenter after he returned from his initial inspection of the passenger quarters forward and reported that he could not find any damage. His orders were to have the carpenter sound the tanks; i.e., look for water coming into empty ballast tanks in the inner bottom which would indicate damage to the underside. Apparently that was about 10-15 minutes after the collision. As he left, Boxhall found the carpenter while going down the stairs from the bridge. The carpenter was on his way up to see Smith to tell him of the flooding he had found, and Boxhall then went to see it for himself.
There are no Unsinkable Theories.
Sam Halpern
40° 23' 50'' N, 74° 13' 55'' W.
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David G. Brown
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Posted on Friday, November 5, 2004 - 2:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

According to IMM/White Star regulations, no ballast water could be added or discharged without two conditions being met: 1.) the carpenter was alerted to sound the tanks involved; and, 2.) written permission given to the Chief Engineer. It is possibly significant that after being told to find the carpenter, QM Olliver was given a handwritten note to carry from Captain Smith to Chief Engineer Bell.

From the IMM/White Star rulebook:

"25. Ballast Tanks.--The ballast tanks are never to be filled or pumped out at sea or in port except by the express instructions or permission in writing of the Commander, or, in his absence, of a Marine Superintendent of the Company. During a voyage, the times of filling and emptying are to be reported to the bridge, and entered in the Log-Book.
"Whilst ballast tanks are being filled, the Carpenter must take frequent soundings to avoid undue pressure or overflowing."

-- David G. Brown
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Paul Lee
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Posted on Friday, November 5, 2004 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah! I see now.

Thanks mate!

Paul
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