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Hildur Panula-Heinonen
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Username: titanic_relatives
Post Number: 332
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 10:13 pm: | 
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I am having a hard time trying to place the surviving stewardesses in to lifeboats. I don't have any stewardesses being recorded and placed in lifeboats at all.
On this site, it doesn't list any stewardesses in lifeboats, like it does crew and other passengers (like when you click on the lifeboat and it gives you the names of the people in it). |
Holly Peterson
Member
Username: alzbeta
Post Number: 255
Registered: 3-2008
| | Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 11:20 pm: |
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You'd have to look on the stewardesses' individual biographies to find out which lifeboats they were in.
I looked around and found out that a definite majority of the stewardesses were in boats 11 and 16. Boat 11 rescued Annie Caton, Katherine Gold, Bessie Lavington, Annie Martin, Alice Prichard, Annie Robinson, Maud Slocombe, Katherine Smith and Sarah Stap, while boat 16 contained Mary Gregson, Elizabeth May Leather, Evelyn Marsden, and probably Mary Sloan and Mary Roberts (though some sources say D for the latter.) Mabel Bennet was in boat 5, while Emma Bliss was in boat 15.
On a different topic, did you ever get the second bunch of Titanic pictures I e-mailed to you, Hildur? If you didn't I'll gladly send them again. I know how much fun it is to see new pictures of those on the Titanic and wouldn't want you to miss out on it. |
Hildur Panula-Heinonen
Member
Username: titanic_relatives
Post Number: 333
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 6:21 pm: |
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Yes, thank you i did. They were wonderful. Did you get my e-mail?
I wonder why no one has added the stewardesses in to the passenger lists for the lifeboats? Hmmm.. |
Paul Lee
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Username: dpl
Post Number: 2156
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 7:33 pm: |
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http://www.paullee.com/titanic/msloane.html - Mary Sloane said she didn't get into boat 12, even though she is often cited as being in this boat. |
Bob Godfrey
Member
Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 4897
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 9:49 pm: |
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Mary Sloan's references to Lightoller place her in boat 12, but her statements suggest that she left the Titanic in boat 14 and was one of the women later transferred at sea on the orders of Lowe. |
Hildur Panula-Heinonen
Member
Username: titanic_relatives
Post Number: 334
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 12:40 am: |
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Is there any sort of list, or does anyone know who was transfered between lifeboats, before they arrived at Carpathia? |
Holly Peterson
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Username: alzbeta
Post Number: 257
Registered: 3-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 12:47 am: |
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I don't know about who was transfered, but I want to clarify: you did get the second e-mail, right? Not the one with the picture of Wiljo, but the one after that? I'm probably being annoying and I don't mean to be, it's just that I'd like you to get all the pictures, not just half of them. |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 30484
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 5:56 am: |
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>>Is there any sort of list, or does anyone know who was transfered between lifeboats, before they arrived at Carpathia?<<
Nobody kept records that detailed. The people doing the transferring had more important concerns to deal with. The identities of some who were transferred are known or can be inferred but there's no comprehensive list anywhere.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Paul Lee
Member
Username: dpl
Post Number: 2157
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 10:40 am: |
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Hi Bob,
I don't know. If Bill, Tad and George's lifeboat launch sequence is anything to go by, she should have been able to go in boat 10; boat 14 had already gone. Perhaps a better candidate would be boat "D"; she mentions seeing Captain Smith, who was in the area of the bridge at the time, she mentions "a big crush", and that the Titanic began to rapidly sink after her boat was away, which seems to point to "D" which left only a quarter of an hour before the sinking. "D" was one of the boats coralled togther by Lowe. |
Bob Godfrey
Member
Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 4898
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 11:14 am: |
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True. Or she could have left in boat 12, some time after speaking to a rather confused bellboy. "Child, how do you know?" - How indeed. The only thing we can be reasonably certain of is that she arrived at the Carpathia in boat 12. |
Tad G. Fitch
Member
Username: tad_fitch
Post Number: 423
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 2:39 pm: |
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One word of caution regarding online lists of which survivors occupied which lifeboats. Most of these don't list references, and represent the researcher's or author's "best guess" as to which boat a particular person was in, and don't list the reasoning for believing so, or even clearly label that it is a guess. While these list are useful as a general guide, it is best to examine the first-hand statements of the witnesses themselves before accepting they were in a particular boat.
Interesting discussion regarding Sloan. I have found that the passengers who were transferred between boats, particularly in the boats wrangled together by Lowe, are often difficult to place. Sometimes they don't give clear descriptions of which boat they are referring to once they were on the water, whether it be the one they were lowered in, or later transferred to. It takes a lot of digging.
All my best,
Tad |
Allan Wolf
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Username: allan_wolf
Post Number: 25
Registered: 3-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 2:47 pm: |
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<<Is there any sort of list, or does anyone know who was transfered
between lifeboats, before they arrived at Carpathia?>>
In his Senate and BOT testimony, Officer Lowe says he transferred "all" of his passengers from lifeboat 14. In his Senate testimony he repeatedly says he transferred "53" passengers out of boat 14 and into four other lifeboats. In his BOT testimony he says that he was then left with "a working crew" of seven (six crew plus himself).
All of this to say that it would SEEM that any women (including stewardesses) who began in lifeboat 14, would have been transferred.
(And, as some have pointed out already in other threads, this calls into question Charlotte Collyer's "first person" play-by-play account of Lowe's actions and words when he returned to "the mass" to look for survivors).
Allan Wolf
http://www.allanwolf.com
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 30502
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 3:39 pm: |
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>>Sometimes they don't give clear descriptions of which boat they are referring to once they were on the water,<<
And for some reason, I would suppose that a lot of these people wouldn't have even cared what boat they were in. They were just happy that they were in one at all. Two thirds of the people on that ship weren't as lucky.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Peter Engberg-Klarström
Member
Username: peter
Post Number: 198
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 8:44 am: |
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Dear everybody,
Miss Sloan was very likely in boat No. 12, at least according to an interview in the Daily Mirror (I believe this was May 4).
Best regards,
Peter |
Hildur Panula-Heinonen
Member
Username: titanic_relatives
Post Number: 336
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 28, 2009 - 10:53 pm: |
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Thank you all very much! |
