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Paul Lee
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Username: dpl
Post Number: 241
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 - 5:29 pm: | 
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Is it worth buying?
Best wishes
Paul
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Paul Lee
Member
Username: dpl
Post Number: 255
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 - 9:09 pm: |
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This just arrived from titanicbooks.com, and I was a bit surprised as to its size...its a thin pamphet, but full of newspaper reproductions of "incriminating" evidence against the Mount Temple. I'm still weighing up its contents, but it does seem a shame that no attempt was made to trace the descendants of the witnesses; they might have been told something by the witnesses. After all, Leslie Reade managed to trace the families of two additional witnesses on the Californian.
Best wishes
Paul
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Inger Sheil
Moderator
Username: isheil
Post Number: 2435
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 1:03 am: |
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I haven't read it yet, but am looking forward to its arrival! Are you sure that no attempt was made to trace the descendants of the witnesses, Paul? Sen has worked to that end in the past, and I would be surprised if he didn't try. Reade was researching in the 60s, closer to the actual events, when it was an easier matter...tracing families isn't always possible (I tried to do so with a family mentioned in Marcus, who also did his work in the 60s, but have yet to locate them).
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Paul Lee
Member
Username: dpl
Post Number: 261
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 9:48 am: |
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I don't know for sure, Inger! It just looks to me like no attempt to trace them was made. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this, since you know Senan.
Best wishes
Paul
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 8139
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 12:44 pm: |
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I think it would be problematic to say that no effort was made to trace some people's decendants based soley on the contents of a single book. Anyone who's read The Irish Aboard Titanic would know that Senan is very good at this sort of thing. What they often don't know is that it often takes years of following up some very shaky leads to find even the most sketchy information. When I met Senan at the first Titanic Dinner that Phil Gowan held, I asked him about how long it took him to research all that, and IIRC, the number he gave me was on the order of 7 years.
Considering the scope of the book, that he managed to get something...anything...on literally hundreds of obscure people is an amazing accomplishment, but even the relentless Senan can't find everybody. Especially people who had little interest in posterity, left little or nothing behind for it's sake, and who just wanted to go about their lives unmolested.
Even Senan can't get past this sort of indifference. 
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Michael Tennaro
Member
Username: tennaro
Post Number: 459
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 2:26 pm: |
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Paul wrote: This just arrived from titanicbooks.com, and I was a bit surprised as to its size...its a thin pamphet, but full of newspaper reproductions of "incriminating" evidence against the Mount Temple.
Paul, I'm not sure why you were surprised. on the bookstore page of my site this item is clearly described as a slender booklet with 44 pages (including covers). I also pointed out in my description that the material includes photocopies of original newspaper articles.
I try very hard to describe everything on the website accurately, and am concerned if you felt you were mislead about what this book contained.
please feel free to contact me privately if you would like to discuss this further.
all the best, Michael (TheManInBlack) T
Titanic Book Site.com
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Paul Lee
Member
Username: dpl
Post Number: 266
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 2:43 pm: |
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Hi Micheal,
No I don't feel misled. Probably didn't read your description properly.
Cheers
Paul |
monica ahll
Member
Username: monica
Post Number: 262
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 4, 2004 - 9:54 pm: |
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How does Senan pronounce his name? Is it She-nan? I always have trouble with pronouncing Irish names, and I don't like to get it wrong. |
Inger Sheil
Moderator
Username: isheil
Post Number: 2440
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 1:05 am: |
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It's Sen-nan, Monica - he often gets 'She-nan', thanks to 'Sean' and 'Seamus'. The glories of Gael. He's also been dubbed 'Seamus O'Maloney', thanks to the chronic mauling of his name.
He does like to remind us from time to time that he's named after a Saint. Hrm...
I'll ask him, Paul - I remember he went to some lengths tracing crew details from 1912 and later, and I did a few follow throughs for him a little while back to establish information on crewmen. He was very unlucky with one document I tried to trace for him - it was supposed to be out at the PRO according to one early version of the catalogue, but when I ordered up the bundles of documents and checked the electronic catalogue, it has apparently gone missing. I hope it's just astray or an error, and not on the missing list because someone pilfered it from the archives. |
monica ahll
Member
Username: monica
Post Number: 265
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 5:41 am: |
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A saint, eh? Well, so many of us must be. I read somewhere that the present Pope has canonised more people than any of his predecessors, which is a bit unexpected in this day and age, though I may have got that a bit wrong. I forget what St. Monica did - something gloomy to do with sacrifice and self-denial I dare say, and unfortunately I fail to follow her excellent example. |
Paul Lee
Member
Username: dpl
Post Number: 267
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 7:58 am: |
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Hi Inger,
I've actually been in touch with Senan via email today, and I must say he came across as a perfect gentleman and very approachable!
Best wishes
Paul
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Geoff Whitfield
Member
Username: geoff
Post Number: 988
Registered: 11-2000
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 8:17 am: |
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With regard to Senan - I've always found a simple "Oi You" works admirably!
Geoff |
Inger Sheil
Moderator
Username: isheil
Post Number: 2446
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, March 5, 2004 - 8:22 am: |
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Good stuff, Paul - that's my experience as well. I think I may have a message for you that I needed to cull out of an email query he responded to, but it sounds like you're in touch anyway (I've been behind in my personal emails, for a reason I'll explain when I write to you).
At least you won't be sending him an 'Oi' message in deepest darkest Africa now, Geoff, come the BTS convention...!
Monica, I picked St Irmina for my confirmation...it was a narrow pick between her and St Cleopatra. A bit of a stand-out among the St Theresas and St Catherines in our little Parochial church... |
John Flood
Member
Username: j_flood
Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 12:16 pm: |
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Hi Folks,
Can Senan's "Mount Temple" book be bought in bookshops, or does it have to be bought through a website?
All the Best,
John. |
Patty Miller
Member
Username: patty_miller
Post Number: 70
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 12:33 pm: |
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Hi John, I am not sure how available it is in
bookshops, but Michael Tennaro has it on his web site www.titanicbooksite.com and it is signed by
Senan and very very reasonably priced. Patty |
John Flood
Member
Username: j_flood
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 2:13 pm: |
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Hi Patty,
Thanks for the info. I was hoping it might be available in a few bookstores here in Dublin, as I think it may have been printed here, but I will check out the website you have given me.
All the Best,
John. |
Patty Miller
Member
Username: patty_miller
Post Number: 71
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 2:22 pm: |
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John, you are welcome. There is a possibility it is in a bookshop there, but having purchased books
from Michael's website before, I know without
a doubt the condition of the book will be excellent and he is always very reasonable on the shipping. Plus, I enjoy having a book where the
author has signed it. And now you have a great
website to go to , to look for Titanic books.
Sincerely, Patty |
Michael Tennaro
Member
Username: tennaro
Post Number: 465
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 3:20 pm: |
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Hi John,
my bookstore is the only one in the U.S. carrying this book. far as I know, Senan has not arranged with any bookstores in Eire local to him to carry it. but that doesn't mean you have to order it from me all the way across the pond. you (and anyone else who resides in the UK & the continent) can also order the booklet directly from the author. that will save you on those overseas shipping fees.
Senan can be reached by e-mail at: smolony@oireachtas.irlgov.ie
all the best, Michael (TheManInBlack) T
Titanic Book Site.com
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John Flood
Member
Username: j_flood
Post Number: 4
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 3:34 pm: |
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Hi Patty and Michael,
Thanks once again for the info. Plenty of good books to choose from on the Titanic Book Site.com. I can see my credit card taking a hit!!
All the Best,
John. |
Russell Friesen
Member
Username: rustyf85
Post Number: 51
Registered: 8-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, October 4, 2009 - 1:12 am: |
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Hi all! I see on Amazon that Senan Molony has a new book, published this year, entitled "Titanic Scandal: The Trial of the Mount Temple". Has anyone read this book? I don't have the earlier pamphlet about the Mount Temple that he published (the original subject of this thread), but I have two of his more recent books, and I was wondering if this one is worth buying?
Thanks!
Russell |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 30751
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, October 4, 2009 - 2:23 am: |
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I saw it listed on Amazon but haven't persued it. I have some issues on the homefront which stand to make finances for books a bit of a problem.
No majorly big deal, but some new works are going to have to wait.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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