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bethany kay simmons
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Username: titanic_gurl
Post Number: 8
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 18, 2003 - 5:51 am: | 
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I personally think that the movie is awesome and I have watched it 132 times...I love it! I don't care if it is fictional. James Cameron is a wonderful director and the movie is great! |
amy sutak
Member
Username: titanic_nut
Post Number: 25
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 18, 2003 - 10:05 am: |
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OH MY what a lively bunch.I love the movie the romance was so so.Lets say Rose and Jack did meet.The girl was running away from everything and she wanted to die at one point.I think when your at the end of your rope so to speak anything can happen.So why not fall for a guy from the wrong side of the ship I mean tracks.I'm not saying Jack was bad but to her maybe he was the bad boy type.Me?Give me a man in uniform any day even if it is a uniform from FORD. my husband wink |
Maria Fernandez
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Username: rosejack
Post Number: 9
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 9, 2003 - 12:50 am: |
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Okay this is odd - but lets not forget, there are many survivor lists and no one knows if they are accurate, therefore perhaps her name didnt come up on one. Not everything is obvious, but in the mvoies nothing is. you can tie up every loose end right?
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Kyrila Scully
Member
Username: childstar413
Post Number: 1175
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 9, 2003 - 2:52 am: |
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Beg to differ Maria. There is only one survivor list, and it is indeed accurate to the last person. The other so-called lists are pretenders. We are fortunate that those who researched the official list have generously donated their life's work to this website so we can all benefit from it.
Kyrila |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 6266
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, June 9, 2003 - 4:10 am: |
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Maria, concurring with Kyrila here. Rose never existed. She was a figment of the scriptwriters imagination. The producers never pretended otherwise. The notion that Rose, Cal, Jack, et al existed was something that got started with the public.
If you wish to know what problems faced researchers in putting together a definative passenger list, you may want to get a copy of Who Sailed on Titanic by Debbie Beavis. Amazon.com offers it HERE
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Kritina Johnston
Member
Username: kjohnston
Post Number: 181
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 9, 2003 - 6:42 am: |
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Sigh...people will believe what they want to believe, no use trying to educate them to the contrary...
Bodhisattva to androgynes...well, maybe.
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Maria Fernandez
Member
Username: rosejack
Post Number: 10
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 9, 2003 - 1:43 pm: |
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no no no i know rose was fictional!! Please dont think i believe she was real. as an actress i simply seem to delve deeper than others into the different characters and their backgrounds. I don't mean to be rude, but i am not that stupid. - i simple mean that perhaps Lewis boudine didnt research deep enough in the movie thats all. if anyone does believe rose cal jack exsisted then im sorry but they take films to seriously.Im quite upset you thought i could even think that... |
Kyrila Scully
Member
Username: childstar413
Post Number: 1185
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 1:19 am: |
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I get it. The scene where the helicopter is coming in to the ship, and Lewis is harping to Brock Lovett about Rose Calvert, and who she might be. You're right, he should have picked up on the name Rose Dawson being on the "survivor list" as she gave her name to the Carpathia officer that way. He should have realized she truly had been a passenger, and since she knew about the necklace, he should have been equally intrigued about why Rose Dawson should know about Rose DeWitt Bukater's necklace, or why RDB should have adopted the name "Dawson." As an actor, the backstory should have been clear, just as you said.
Kyrila |
Susan Leighton
Member
Username: susan
Post Number: 128
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 7:37 pm: |
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Titanic's Kate Winslet finally made an honest woman out of herself and got married this past weekend. Sorry Adam, I know you loved her.
Susan Y. Leighton |
Maria Fernandez
Member
Username: rosejack
Post Number: 37
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 16, 2003 - 10:25 am: |
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Sam is so good for her, you can see how happy she is.
Kyrila, i see your point. It should have been clearer. O well just a movie. Boudine looked like a bit of an idiot anyway - but the guy who plays him, Lewis Abernathy is a real Titanic Buff apparently... |
samuel garcia
Member
Username: miter
Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, March 6, 2005 - 8:25 pm: |
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the old couple in bed went down with ship. |
Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 829
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 6, 2005 - 8:57 pm: |
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>>There is only one survivor list, and it is indeed accurate to the last person.<<
Then why is the passenger manifest continuously being updated? The real passenger list was incomplete and erroneous in several aspects. The list appended to the end of Eaton and Haas' 1995 edition is just such a list. When it came to Titanic, there were plenty of inconsistencies, incongruities, last-minute bookings and cancellations, no-shows, misnomers, slip-offs, incorrect assumptions, missing and/or outdated information, crossed communication wires, even decades of faded or eroded documentation - you name it! Because of this, it would be a virtual impossibility to develop a completely accurate survivor, or death toll, list when we do not know for certain as to every single person who was or was not on that ship in the first place. There were just too many people. Even today new information on passengers and crew continues to develop and come to light. Researchers may be good, they may be thorough, but they are by no means perfect. Sorry.
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 830
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 6, 2005 - 9:03 pm: |
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>>the old couple in bed went down with ship.<<
Sam, the old couple were supposed to be the Strausses, and, in reality, they never went back to their suite, nor did they go down with the ship. Strauss' body was discovered (#96), which proves that. Since Ida and Isidor Strauss apparently never separated, it's likely that Mrs. Strauss didn't go down in the ship either. It makes sense that the two stuck together all the way through the end.
Just a side note.
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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samuel garcia
Member
Username: miter
Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 7, 2005 - 11:28 pm: |
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no bodies were found after titanic sank they all floated and later sank and irish mom put her kids to bed went down with the ship. |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 11396
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 - 2:34 am: |
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>>no bodies were found after titanic sank they all floated and later sank and irish mom put her kids to bed went down with the ship.<<
I'm sure that would come as quite a shock to the people on the boat commanded by 5th Officer Lowe and the Mackay-Bennet. They had no problem finding bodies and the people of Halifax had no problem laying them to rest in their cemetaries.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 844
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 - 3:14 am: |
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And, by the way, Sam, Mr. Strauss' body was indeed found (#96). The Irish woman and her two kids were fictional characters, composites of real people. Some , unfortunately, went down inside the Titanic, but most froze to death. Approximately 328+ bodies were found by various search vessels over a two-month period following the tragedy.
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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samuel garcia
Member
Username: miter
Post Number: 4
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 2:08 am: |
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they found wrong body of ida's husband his body in is in the ocean and Thomas Andrews went down with ship and drowned went to heaven. |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 11414
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 3:07 am: |
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Huh?
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 856
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 4:00 am: |
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Samuel, The recovery team(s) found HIS body and not hers. Andrews is gone. Just check your sources and ask any authority on this site.
Yo he (estaba) rebuscado la titanica por mucho tiempo. Conozco los asuntos relatados, incluyendo a los muertos. Entiende Usted? Ojala que sea asi! I am a bit rusty on my Spanish, but I have been speaking/reading/writing for about eleven years, on and off. I am still picking it up as time permits.
Michael, was or was not Isador Strauss' body recovered?
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 11420
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 4:13 am: |
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>>Michael, was or was not Isador Strauss' body recovered?<<
Yep. Sure was. According to This Information he was Body Number 95 recovered by the Mackay-Bennett and he was buried at the Woodlawn Cemetary in NYC.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 857
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 7:13 am: |
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95? I read on a site which specialized in the recovered through illustrating each entry numerically that he was #96. Hmmm
Thank you much. ;)
By the way, It is possible that Sam is somewhat hard to understand because he may not by fluent in English and is trying to work with it the best that he can. That's why I jumped in with Spanish. I didn't mean to be rude or confuse everyone else even more, hehe.
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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Bob Godfrey
Member
Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 1991
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 11:04 am: |
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96 is the correct number. |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 11422
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 12:48 pm: |
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Ach....I misread that number. When the eyes go and all that. Sorry guys. -oops.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 858
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 6:42 pm: |
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Ah, Michael, don't fret. You're still a young spring chick with a lot of pep and verve. I bet you can see and hear a dog walking a mile away. ;)
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 11426
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 2:53 am: |
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A spring chicken? My aching kneecaps might take issue with that one. 20 years of my knees vs. Class B nickle-steel armour plate wasn't much of a contest and Mr. Arthur Itus is somebody I'm getting to know a little too well.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 860
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 7:44 pm: |
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Steel armour plating? Err, should I refer to you as the bionic man? Or maybe the Terminator. ;) Doesn't sound pleasant. My condolences go with you.
As for Arthur, I meet up with his brother, Burt C. Itus every now and then. He tends to drop in every now and then. That's in my wrists.
Still, it sounds like you've been through some rough times. I wish you well.
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 11434
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 6:12 am: |
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>>Steel armour plating?<<
Specifically Class B Nickel-Steel armour plating. Pretty tough stuff and it has to be.
>>Err, should I refer to you as the bionic man? Or maybe the Terminator. ;)<<
Or "The Terminated?" (Okay, it's not quite *that* bad yet.
>> Doesn't sound pleasant. My condolences go with you<<
Thanks. It's not. Just the price one pays for a career at sea as one of the strongbacks down on the deckplates doing the manual work. That I spend my working days now bouncing around conctete floors doesn't help. Thank whatever diety you believe in for Aleve.®
Hope something helps you with Burt. I hear he can be a real prize [censored} as well.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 865
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 7:05 pm: |
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>>Thanks. It's not. Just the price one pays for a career at sea as one of the strongbacks down on the deckplates doing the manual work. That I spend my working days now bouncing around conctete floors doesn't help. Thank whatever diety you believe in for Aleve.®<<
You no doubt understand what many of those on the Titanic went through. Experiences like that have helped you form a vivid bond with those people, and, at the same time, it's something I'll bet you wish you didn't know as well as you do, if you know what I mean.
You said you're in retail?
Sorry, digressing from the main thread here. This will be my last post on this issue. I know we have to stay on track.
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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Mark Robert Hopkins
Member
Username: hoppy
Post Number: 866
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 7:11 pm: |
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..Hope something helps you with Burt. I hear he can be a real prize [censored} as well.<<
Oh, he can be. The grinding pain and stiffness are two things I definitely do not welcome. I sometimes take drugs, but I usually wear a leather wrist brace. I get it mostly in my left wrist, which is no surprise, since I am left-handed. I'm just lucky, and happy, that the condition, although chronic, isn't consistent.
(Okay, okay, back to the thread, hehe)
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose!
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Lester Mitcham
Member
Username: lester
Post Number: 807
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 1:14 am: |
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Hello Mark,
Last week you posted: "... Then why is the passenger manifest continuously being updated? The real passenger list was incomplete and erroneous in several aspects. The list appended to the end of Eaton and Haas' 1995 edition is just such a list. When it came to Titanic, there were plenty of inconsistencies, incongruities, last-minute bookings and cancellations, no-shows, misnomers, slip-offs, incorrect assumptions, missing and/or outdated information, crossed communication wires, even decades of faded or eroded documentation - you name it! Because of this, it would be a virtual impossibility to develop a completely accurate survivor, or death toll, list when we do not know for certain as to every single person who was or was not on that ship in the first place. There were just too many people. Even today new information on passengers and crew continues to develop and come to light. Researchers may be good, they may be thorough, but they are by no means perfect. Sorry."
As I understand it part of the reason for the problems with the list in the E&H book is that its author wanted to have a separate List for the Servants. This was omitted when the book was published. As to why Giglio was treated differently to say Payne I do not know. Why were the H&W staff who travelled 2nd Class left off the list, when the 1st Class ones are there? Why exclude the Band when they travelled on a 2nd Class ticket? Only the person who complied the list can tell us.
Regarding your doubts about it being: " ... virtual impossibility to develop a completely accurate survivor, or death toll, list when we do not know for certain as to every single person who was or was not on that ship in the first place." I disagree. Taken from another Forum this is in part what another Person Researcher had to say:
".......After nearly three decades research on the people of Titanic, I can tell you that the figures of 712 survivors and 1496 lost are the accurate ones. ...........The numbers speak for themselves. ....... while the numbers are definite, the spellings of some of the names cross numerous cultural and geographical boundaries which may make the "final cut" all but impossible. That is what research is all about ......"
So it is the exactitude of the spellings of the names not the numbers which is open to question. I hope that answers your comments about the updates. |
Holly Hewlett
Member
Username: holi244
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 11:18 am: |
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Amy - I am very sorry but I disagree with your first comment! Jack was a hero and he saved Rose. Although he was poor he was not a "bad boy" and, as quoted from the film by Rose "he saved me, in every way a person can be saved." I don't think it was coincidence or desperation that made her fall in love with Jack, I think it was fate!
Holly. |
Edward Impink
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Username: edking4
Post Number: 4
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 9:48 pm: |
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yea holly I have to agree with ya on that one |
Holly Hewlett
Member
Username: holi244
Post Number: 45
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, April 7, 2006 - 9:47 am: |
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thanx, glad someone does!
Thanks, Holly Hewlett.
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diane shoemaker
Member
Username: shoemaker228
Post Number: 2
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 2, 2004 - 5:55 am: |
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does anyone now what cabin rose and her mother ruth bukater was in also do you now if thare real names was rose dewitt bukater,and ruth dewitt bukater, im also looking for the boyfriend of rose cal hockley and what cabin he was in and one more thing is any of them still liveing.thanks diane |
Jason D. Tiller
Member
Username: jtiller
Post Number: 1771
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, April 2, 2004 - 6:14 am: |
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Hi Diane,
Rose, her mother and Caledon Hockley only existed in the movie, they were not real life passengers. In the movie, they had cabins B52-54-56.
Just so you know, this is not the proper area for questions on the movie, but we do have an area called "Titanic Movies" on here.
Best regards,
Jason 
"to be happy is to be contented in your own mind"...Harold Godfrey Lowe
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 8382
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, April 2, 2004 - 1:04 pm: |
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As Jason said, Rose, Jack, Ruth, and so on never existed as anything other then the screenwriters imagination. In real life, B52-54-56 was occupied by J. Bruce Ismay.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Bob Godfrey
Member
Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 6, 2004 - 2:10 pm: |
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Hallo, Diane. Although the main characters were fictional, quite a lot of the others in the film were real people, like Mrs 'Molly' Brown (her real name was Margaret), the Countess of Rothes, the millionaire J J Astor and the ship's designer Thomas Andrews. And of course Captain Smith. You can look them all up in the biography section. In the movies section of this message board you'll find lots of people who like to talk about the fictional characters too. |
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