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Mary Hamric
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Username: mary1912
Post Number: 110
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 3:44 am: | 
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Thanks for posting these Wikipedia links. This is intriguing to me that Gladys met her brother in New York. The reason is, my grandmother's maiden name was Cherry and she was from New York. I've often wondered if I am somehow related to Gladys Cherry. I just haven't had the time to really do the research. |
Kyrila Scully
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Username: childstar413
Post Number: 1903
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 1:18 pm: |
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You can do free genealogy research at www.familysearch.org. This site is run by the Mormons, but it's strictly about genealogy. I use this site in my job and have had great success with my research. I am told by people who work with this website that Ancestry.com used to get all their information from FamilySearch.org, but are not allowed to use their information any more as of December, 2007. I like that it's FREE.
Good luck with your trace.
Kyrila
"Now, bring me that horizon!"
www.MySpace.com/kyrila
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James Smith
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Username: jds88
Post Number: 421
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 2:11 am: |
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Hi Kyrila -
I think your friend may have had it backwards, of sorts. Relations between Ancestry.com and the Mormon church have a long (in internet time, anyways), sordid history.
See, the Mormon-run Family History Library sends teams out all over the world, microfilming vital records held at local libraries, courthouses, and churches. These microfilms can be accessed by the public for free, either at the FHL or at your local Mormon Family History Center.
Now, the for-profit Ancestry.com also sends teams out all over the world, scanning vital records held at libraries, courthouses, and churches. These scans are accessible by the public for a very hefty fee.
So there's naturally some tension between the two: Ancestry sees the Mormon family history centers as a threat to its existence by providing users with a "free" alternative to Ancestry.com's services. But Ancestry.com at least had the advantage that its databases could be accessed in the comfort of the researcher's own home.
But those days are limited. The Mormon church has announced plans to digitize every single record held by its Family History Library, and to eventually have them accessible via familysearch.org--for free. Ancestry.com responded by trying to get the holders of the original records it scans to sign agreements promising not to allow the Mormons to scan their records.
Last Spring, things came to a head. The Family History Library and Ancestry.com had had an agreement whereby one could get full access to Ancestry.com at one's local Family History Center. Ancestry.com refused to renew the agreement.
I don't know what kind of negotiations went on behind the scenes, but some kind of agreement was reached late last year. You can now (as before) access Ancestry.com's full collection from any Family History Center.
--Jim |
Martin Williams
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Username: martin_williams
Post Number: 576
Registered: 3-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 2, 2008 - 2:25 pm: |
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I've just been trawling through the archives of the London 'Times' and have been amazed and delighted to learn that one of Julia Siegel's fellow bridesmaids at the wedding of her step-sister, Georgine Wilde, to Count Carlo Dentice de Frasso in London in 1906 was none other than Gladys Cherry, daughter of Lady Emily Cherry and cousin by marriage of the Countess of Rothes! This does, I think, go to prove the previously unconfirmed hypothesis that Noelle, Gladys and the Cavendishes were all acquainted BEFORE they sailed on the 'Titanic'. |
Martin Williams
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Username: martin_williams
Post Number: 601
Registered: 3-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 9, 2008 - 4:05 pm: |
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I've been interested to discover that Gladys Cherry's father, James Frederick Cherry, acted as Clerk and Librarian at the Royal Naval College in Greenwich. He married Gladys's mother, Lady Emily Louisa Haworth-Leslie, on 25th April 1871 and the couple had three children - Charles, the eldest, who greeted and cared for his sister in New York when she disembarked from the 'Carpathia'; Miriam, who married one Herbert Taylor; and Gladys herself. As his younger daughter's place of birth is listed as Greenwich, I assume that her father was still employed by the Naval College in the summer of 1881 - although he subsequently died just two months short of her third birthday, in June 1884.
By 1907, the widowed Lady Emily was residing at No. 44 Wetherby Mansions on the boundary between South Kensington and Earl's Court. It seems likely that Gladys, young and single, would still have been living at home at this stage. Not that her mother would have lacked for family company, mind you; two of her unmarried sisters, the Ladies Mary Euphrasia and Alice Julia, co-habited in the same mansion block, at No. 26. By chance, a friend of mine lives in Wetherby Mansions and, from my own experience, I can testify that they are very much in the imposing style so popular with architects in the smarter areas of London in the late-Victorian period, and closely resemble the flats lived in by the Wilcox family in the marvellous 1992 film adaptation of E.M. Forster's 'Howard's End'. It should be remembered that a London flat back then was considerably more spacious than a newly-built house today, and Wetherby Mansions would have been an eminently respectable address for a member of the prosperous urban upper-middle class (or, in this instance, the lower rungs of the aristocracy). |
Brian Ahern
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Username: brian_ahern
Post Number: 608
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:31 pm: |
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Thanks for sharing this information, Martin (especially for evoking the Wilcox flat as a point of reference).
So James Frederick would have been considered a civil servant? It always interests me to consider which British civil service jobs would be suitable for a well-educated, well-born young gentleman (which I assume JFC was).
Finances of minor aristocrats always interest me as well. Lady Emily appears to have lived in relative comfort and elegance, though she had been a widow for years and the Leslies are often represented as having seen their fortunes decline by this period. |
Martin Williams
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Username: martin_williams
Post Number: 603
Registered: 3-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 9:53 am: |
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Hi Brian
I'm not at all sure about this but my gut reaction is that Gladys' father was not technically a civil servant - or, if so, only in the loosest sense. I imagine his status to have been roughly equivalent to that of a don or librarian at one of the Oxbridge colleges, a position requiring a high degree of education and good connections to boot. I've no idea what sort of salary was entailed but I'm confident that James would have been considered a 'gentleman' by his contemporaries - which, in turn, would have allowed him to contract a marriage with a daughter of a noble house.
As for Lady Emily's own finances: her degree of wealth or poverty would, no doubt, have been a very relative matter. The Leslies were not considered 'rich' by the standards of the late Victorian and Edwardian aristocracy - but Norman and Noelle Rothes were hardly on the breadline. I have speculated in the past that Gladys would almost certainly have been presented at Court, and given a proper 'Season', as befitted a girl of her class - I briefly perused the on-line archives of the London 'Times' (frustratingly difficult to access: I hope you have more luck than me!) and there were several references to Gladys, Lady Emily and the Rothes in the Society columns of the day. I made a note, since mislaid, of the dates when Gladys and Julia Siegel Cavendish (the girls were obviously acquainted) made their curtsies and I also discovered that Norman and Noelle were present at the Royal Albert Hall, in 1913, I seem to remember, and in full costume, at one of those epic historical pageants so beloved of Society in the run-up to the Great War. I mean to chase up these references at a future date. But, in any case, none of this suggests a degree of penury!
All the best for now - and a Merry Christmas to you.
Martin |
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