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Mark Baber
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Clarence Moore and his activities with the Chevy Chase Hunt

The other Titanic connection to the article you linked to, Martin, is that Sen. Newlands was a member of the subcommittee which conducted the US Inquiry.

Recent research has revealed that ...rather surprisingly - that Mrs J. Bruce Ismay (née Florence Schieffelin of New York) was too.

So was her sister, Constance Schieffelin Ismay, as reflected by the following:

22 September 1900: At Southampton, Long Island, "[t]he first run of the
fox-hunting season ... was marred by an accident" as Constance Ismay is
thrown to the ground when her horse falls. Although painfully injured,
she is expected to recover "without serious scars." (Source: The New
York Times, 23 and 25 September 1900.)
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Martin Williams
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Thanks Mark. I suspect that there was a spot of confusion in the press as to WHICH Schieffelin sister had been injured whilst out hunting. The article I found in the NYT says it was Florence but it could conceivably have been Constance instead. An easy mistake: didn't two Schieffelin sisters marry two Ismay brothers?

On the subject of wealthy Americans who enjoyed the sport - I think it was whilst she was over hunting in the Midlands that Nancy Langhorne was first introduced to English Society by Ava Willing Astor, the Colonel's first wife.
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Blimey, the Moores WERE well-housed. In addition to their glorious mansion in Washington, they also maintained an estate at Pride's Crossing in Massachusetts, which I gather Maybelle had inherited from her father, the multi-millionaire Chicago meat packer, Edwin C. Swift. Attached is a link to a vintage postcard which shows the property in all its splendour:

http://diglib.noblenet.org:8080/dspace/handle/10262/3306
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The article I found in the NYT says it was Florence

If we're talking about the same incident, that's the 9/23/00 article I cited, which says it was Florence; the 9/25 article corrected that to Constance.

didn't two Schieffelin sisters marry two Ismay brothers?

Yep. Florence S. married Bruce I. and Constance S. married Bower I. News reports of the two weddings appear in this subtopic.
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During the Christmas season of 1911, Clarence and Maybelle Moore were guests at Washington's most lavish costume ball, given by Mrs William F. Draper. The hostess had only recently come out of mourning and she now celebrated her return to Society by inviting over two hundred friends to dance the night away in fancy dress. Some of the outfits sound quite original; John Barrett as a Chinese Mandarin, Mrs Robert Hinckley as 'Ireland' (complete with shamrocks in her hair), Miss Laura Merriam as a 'fascinating' Alice-in-Wonderful, attended by James F. Curtis as the Mad Hatter, and the President's daughter, Helen Taft, as a Lady of the Court of Louis XVI. In addition to the usual Cleopatras, Mary Stuarts and Marie Antoinettes, the hostess's daughter was attired as Botticelli's 'Spring', in a gown of silver tissue and white tulle trimmed with butterflies, with a wreath of pink roses in her hair. Many impressively titled members of the diplomatic corps (from the embassies and legations of France, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Russia, Austria, Germany and Switzerland - although not, for some reason, Great Britain) were out in force, besides various senior figures from the U.S. army and navy. They were partnered by a bevy of the capital's most eligible debutantes - including, interestingly enough, Edith Gracie, the colonel's daughter, who would herself be formally 'brought out' at the Gotham Hotel in New York, just months after the 'Titanic' disaster and a matter of weeks before her father's premature death.
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And another, excellent period image of 'Swiftmoore':

http://diglib.noblenet.org:8080/dspace/handle/10262/3566
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