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Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Sunday, September 2, 2001 - 2:33 am: | 
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What does anyone know about this passenger, who perished in the disaster? His family appears to have had some strong connections to San Francisco, and to fellow passenger Dr. Washington Dodge, in particular. His relatives later ganged up on Dr. Dodge and ousted Dodge from the presidency of the Federal Telegraph Company, on January 14, 1919. Several months later, Dr. Dodge committed suicide. Any information would be appreciated. |
Randy B. Bigham
| | Posted on Sunday, September 2, 2001 - 8:28 am: |
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Jan,
He and his wife, daughter of the founder of Saks Fifth Avenue, were among the people the Duff Gordons met on board Titanic. In her memoirs (p 167), "Lucile" writes:
"...After dinner we went down into the lounge, where we met Mr. and Mrs. Edgar Meyer. I had my little autograph book with me and got them to write in it. It was one of the "Confession" books, which were so popular just then. Mr. Meyer filled in his "likes," "abominations," etc., and then came to the column marked "madnesses." He laughed as he said: "I have only one - to live," and wrote it down. In less than two hours after he was drowned..."
Of course Lucile's timing is wrong as it would have been sometime before 10 pm that she and Cosmo were in the lounge.
At any rate, the little autograph book was among the things she saved from Titanic, along with a few bits of jewelry she put into a bag. The book, the bag (minus the jewels), her night wrap (now in the possession of Phil Gowan), her fur, and her autographed lifebelt were kept by her all her life in solemn memory of the Titanic. Sadly, so far is is known, only the wrap is still in existence.
I've often wondered about all the other people (both Titanic folks as well as other celebs) whose names were recorded in her little book. What a find that would be if it should turn up. Her library was broken up on her death and my opinion is that it was among the books scattered to the four winds. It is possible it will be discovered someday. At least one book from her collection - a rather naughtily-inscribed volume from Frank Harris - surfaced on eBay recently.
Randy |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Sunday, September 2, 2001 - 3:34 pm: |
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Thanks, Randy. Gosh, if that little book shows up somewhere it would be worth a small fortune. But who knows if it survived. I'm really intrigued by the Meyer family's connection to Dr. Dodge. Edgar's father, Eugene, might have been the one who got Dr. Dodge the vice president position at the Anglo London Paris National Bank, in San Francisco, right after the disaster. Several years later, Dodge left the bank, and took over the Presidency of Federal Telegraph Company. Very likely, through Lazard Freres in New York, Eugene invested heavily in the Federal Telegraph Company, which had its shares take a nose dive. Dodge sold his shares before the collapse in the price, and obtained a big commission from the sale of the company's assets. At that point, Eugene and the rest of the family must have turned on Dr. Dodge, and destroyed him. The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away. The fact that Eugene lost his son on the Titanic (while Dodge survived) adds an even more bitter dimension to all of this.
By the way, do you happen to know who this guy "C. Altschul" is? He attempted to wire Dr. Dodge on the Carpathia, and in the marconigram he inquired about Edgar Meyer and Isador Strauss. I ran across the marconigram on the "Marconicalling" site.
Incidently, in the Oakland Tribune, where I ran across this information on Edgar and Eugene Meyer, there was a photo of Lady Duff Gordon. It was unusual, and one I had never seen before. She looked very young, and had this sort of high society "smirk" on her face. It wasn't a smile at all. It seemed like the type of look women had in the fashion ads of the teens and 20s. When I get a chance, I will copy it and send it to you. |
Randy B. Bigham
| | Posted on Sunday, September 2, 2001 - 5:37 pm: |
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Jan,
The Meyer connection seems curious.I thought the Meyers were from New York. Did Mrs. Meyer, or else Edgar's side of the family, move out to San Francisco after the Titanic?
You are probably onto something as to Edgar's father's grudge - re: Dr. Dodge's survival - at least having partly to do with his acrimony toward Dodge. But it seems like something more is there. Sour grapes over some sort of business deal gone awry?
As to the odd name "C. Altschul" in the cable you refer to, this might well have been a misspelling but you probably have considered that. The wireless was terrible with names wasn't it? All kinds of screw-ups.
I'd be very interested in the photo (and accompanying article?) you came across of Lucy Duff Gordon. I'm wondering if this was from around 1914-15 as it was then that she was contemplating a branch of Lucile, Ltd in San Francisco. The board of directors apparently nixed the idea and the premises which scouts had found there were never used. Her projected plan to open a shop in 'Frisco has always intrigued me as there's so little known about it.
Good luck on your continued research into Dr. Dodge - and now this intriguing tie-in with the Meyers. If I can help in any way, I'm happy to.
Randy |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Monday, September 3, 2001 - 6:58 am: |
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I've been trying to find out more about Edgar Meyer. His father, Marc Eugene Meyer, generally known as Eugene Meyer, was born in 1847, and lived for many years in Los Angeles. He eventually moved to San Francisco, and raised a large family, which included Edgar, two sisters, and the youngest, Eugene, who was born in 1875.
Eugene, Sr., moved to New York to become the managing partner of the Lazard Freres office there in 1893. His son, Eugene, Jr., worked there too, apparently. Eugene, like his father, became very successful in business.
The two sisters married the Stern brothers, Abraham and Sigmund, in San Francisco --who acquired the Levi Strauss company, from Strauss when he died.
Eugene, Jr., became quite powerful in later years, in publishing and financial circles.
Notably, his daughter was the late and famous publisher of the Washington Post, Katherine Graham --of Nixon-Watergate scandal fame.
"C. Altschul" likely refers to Charles Altschul, a New York businessman who died in 1927, and father to Frank Altschul, a powerful financier in the 1930s and 1940s. I think that Charles may have worked a Lazard Freres, too. Given Altschul's effort to reach Dr. Dodge aboard Carpathia, and ask about Edgar, this suggests and even closer connection between the Meyers at Lazard Freres, and Dr. Dodge.
In sum, the Meyer family had strong San Francisco connections. It seems that Dr. Dodge probably knew the Meyers, or the Sterns, or both. |
Randy B. Bigham
| | Posted on Monday, September 3, 2001 - 4:45 pm: |
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In my research I came across a very good photo of a Mrs. Eugene Meyer, Jr., taken in the teens or 20s. It's from the Library of Congress photo collection. |
Michael H. Standart
| | Posted on Monday, September 3, 2001 - 7:13 pm: |
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Uhhh...Jan...I smell one helluva book here with all the research you've done into Dr. Washington Dodge. Is one in the making? If not, you might want to consider it.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Monday, September 3, 2001 - 10:27 pm: |
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No, Michael, but an ET Article is coming shortly. This Meyer family connection is important because it links the 1919 financial scandal and Dr. Dodge's death, with the Titanic disaster. The Meyer family was disenfranchised by Dr. Dodge's financial dealings, and had already lost a close family member on the Titanic --where Dodge had survived. Thus, they had more than one motivation to destroy Dr. Dodge. And with all their financial power, they had the wherewithal to do it. |
Michael H. Standart
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 4, 2001 - 12:12 am: |
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Well, an article can lead to bigger and better things. So in regards the book;go for it!
What's the worst that can happen? You'll get published and savaged by the critics. People will think "Gee, if the critics hate it, it must be good", buy copies by the caseload and you can retire.
I don't see a problem with that! 
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 4, 2001 - 2:03 pm: |
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Here's some corroboration of my theory: in the 1890s, Eugene Meyer (Sr.) lived only two blocks away from Dr. Dodge, in San Francisco. Sigmund Stern, and wife Rosalie (Edgar's sister), lived a couple of blocks in the other direction. Meyer's name, however, was not on the list of notables who attended Dodge's wedding to Alice Lampson Shepherd, in 1891.
I went to the bookstore to get Kathrine Graham's biography, but it's sold out. |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 12:41 pm: |
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Here's a picture of Edgar Meyer, taken in about 1890.http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/bluelakes/figures/I0032642A.jpg |
Phillip Gowan
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 2:29 pm: |
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Great photo Jan. Thanks for posting the link. I'm supposing that's his little sister and see a definite resemblance between her and Edgar's own daughter, Jane (who looked nothing like her mother). |
Ben Holme
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 6:04 pm: |
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Hi Jan,
What a fascinating find! Edgar Meyer was one of about five 1st class passengers whose photograph I doubted I would ever see. Despite being a well-known resident of New York, I don't recall seeing his photo in the NY times in the weeks following the disaster.
Best Regards,
Ben |
Daniel Klistorner
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 12:32 pm: |
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Jan,
Thanks for that great photo. It's amazing, he's young on that photo, but he didn't change much when he grew up, he basically looks the same (but younger) as in a New York Times photo (I think 19 April 1912).
Daniel. |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 2:27 pm: |
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You're welcome, guys. Apparently, the University of California has some 5,000 or more photographs which they acquired from Elise Stern Haas, before she died in 1990. Many of the photographs are from the 1950s through the 1980s, but she had other photographs handed down from her mother, Rosalie Stern. Rosalie, of course, was the older sister to Edgar Meyer.
I looked through the inventory for any connection to Dr. Dodge. Sure enough, one of the inventories listed a photograph of "Herbert Fleishhacker." He was the president of the Anglo London Paris National Bank, and the Anglo California Trust Company. Dr. Dodge had worked at the bank, and certain officers of the Trust Company, Tilden Tegnazzini and Charles Legee, sued Dr. Dodge in connection with the Federal Telegraph scandal. I can't believe that Tegnazzini and Legge would have sued Dodge without Fleishhacker's express consent and knowledge. Now, apparently, as the inventory list reveals, Fleishhacker and the Stern family were friends.
Here's what I suspect happened: Dr. Dodge used his connections at the Bank to gain investors for the Federal Telegraph Company, including, inter alia, the Stern and Meyer families. Dodge reorganized Federal Telegraph, but something didn't pan out, or maybe, Dodge needed money. He resigned from Anglo London Paris National Bank in 1917, in part, I think, because he was going to orchestrate a deal for himself out of the Federal Telegraph Company's assets. Such a transaction would be adverse to the shareholders, who included friends of Fleishhacker. Thus, Dodge left the bank to make himself more independent of these other people who might be adversely affected by his plans. The following year, he did the deal -- and the fall out started.
After the Federal Telegraph stock's value plummeted, and Dodge got his "insider" commission, this shareholder group, the Sterns, Lazard Freres, Tegnazzini and Legge (with Fleishhacker's backing) went after Dodge. |
Chris Dohany
| | Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 7:54 pm: |
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Meyer's photo did appear in an April 28, 1912 edition of the NYT.
I agree he does look much the same as when he was younger.
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Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 1:16 pm: |
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Here's another photograph of Edgar Meyer. He's the second from the right. Third from the right is Walter Meyer. Again, this photograph is from approximately 1890.http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/bluelakes/figures/I0032634A.jpg |
Colleen Collier
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 6:23 pm: |
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Jan. I just wanted to let you know that I really look forward to, and appreciate, the pictures and unearthed items. Especially from those in California and the West coast.
Do you happen to know who the rest of the kids are in the picture?
Thanks again.
Colleen
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Beverly J. Crowder
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 4:47 am: |
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Kah-leen,
Jan has got the most excellent website of information and photos. Have you been there?
He is a dedicated and incredible researcher.
Beverly |
Colleen Collier
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 7:39 am: |
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Beverly. I haven't been able to get a link to his site that worked. Guess I should have asked before now. :-)
Colleen |
Beverly J. Crowder
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 9:17 am: |
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Oh Jan,
Would you please give us the link to your site of wonderful works please and thank you. Kah-leen, wait until you see some of the stuff he's been working on. Very ambitious man he is.
Beverly  |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 1:06 pm: |
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Sorry, I took it down for now. Working on it was starting to distract me from my kids, and job. Thanks for the compliments, though. |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Saturday, March 2, 2002 - 2:50 pm: |
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I found one more on-line photograph. It's of the Meyer family's residence in San Francisco. Edgar grew up here. As noted in the article, "Iceberg at the Golden Gate," the Meyer family left San Francisco in 1893, when Eugene, Sr., got a job at Lazard Freres investment banking house in New York. Older sisters Rosalie and Elise stayed behind, and married Sigmund and Abraham Stern, the president and chief operating officers of Levi, Strauss & Co.http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/arthomes/figures/I0026388B.jpg |
Robert J. Meyer
| | Posted on Monday, March 4, 2002 - 2:18 am: |
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I just got an eerie feeling looking at the picture of the kids on the hammock!...My son Robert III, is the twin to Walter Meyer! |
Jan C. Nielsen
| | Posted on Monday, March 4, 2002 - 1:11 pm: |
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Robert,
Not to embellish on the eerieness of it all, but here's another photo of Walter Meyer.http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/FindingAids/dynaweb/calher/bluelakes/figures/I0032639A.jpg
I would like get some feedback from you on the "Iceberg at the Golden Gate" article (see main page), which has a lot about the Meyer family in it. Do you have any knowledge about the Stern family, located in San Francisco? Thanks. |
Robert J. Meyer
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 5, 2002 - 3:26 am: |
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Jan,
You were right! That picture was even better! I will post a picture of my son tomorrow...you will be amazed at the similarities!
I read your article...it was EXCELLENT!...bravo!
I have known for a few years now about Edgar Meyer, and have researched my family back to 1845...there is NO trace of joint history. My family have been in the Newark, NJ area from 1845 on. And no, I cannot help you with the Stern family at all. Its interesting though that a few of my family generations have worked in the Macy's building in Newark, NJ...actually going back a few decades...it was Bambergers...before being bought by Macy's.
I find all the threads here to be absolutely fascinating!...I am learning more every day!
God Bless and keep up the great job! |
Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Saturday, April 6, 2002 - 4:27 am: |
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Here's a photograph of the Campanile at the University of California's Berkeley campus.
I visited the famous Bancroft Library on the campus, which is very near the Campanile. Bancroft is a top-notch research facility, with an incredible collection of materials. Here's a photograph of the entrance.
Interestingly, the research I did today buttressed the thesis of my article "Iceberg At The Golden Gate." It appears that Edgar Meyer, and his sister's family, the Sterns, in San Francisco, including in particular Edgar's niece, Elise Stern, were very close. There were photographs of Edgar taking Elise skating in Central Park. Elise had written in pencil on the back: "I really loved it when Uncle Edgar took me skating." There were other pictures of Edgar holding Elise. Elise is referred as "Bab" on the back of the photograph. Other photographs depict Edgar visiting Elise and another relative in Burlingame (near San Francisco). He is shown hugging the children, and under his picture is written "Uncle Edgar." Elise had taken pictures of the May 6, 1908 arrival of the Great White Fleet in San Francisco. She and her family went aboard the U.S.S. Nebraska for a tour. On May 7, 1908, there was a big parade. San Francisco was all decked out in patriotic style, with flags draped on the Ferry building. There are many excellent photographs of Edgar in the collection. There was a nice large portrait of Edgar with "Lost On the Titanic" written on the back. Another album had a small picture of Edgar's daughter.
However, the photos are quite expensive to order. It was very strange to review the old family albums --- like delving into the personal lives of people, and finding out that when you see their innermost, personal sides, they are much like you and your own family. Edgar's name was Edgar Joseph Meyer. He was named after grandfather, Joseph Newmark. Elise was the only child of Edgar's sister, Rosalie. His other sister, Elise Hortensa Stern, had married Abraham Stern, Sigmund's brother. Abraham apparently died. Then, Elise married some Brazialian ambassador, named De Souza Dautre. There was a note to Elise from U.S. Supreme Court Justice, Felix Frankfurter. When I was ordering copies of pictures I told the librarian, "You know, these are extremely valuable pictures." She just ignored it and said: "Well, you know, they say that once they're in a museum they aren't worth anything."
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Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 9, 2002 - 6:30 pm: |
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Has anyone heard of an "E. Pillsbury"? I know that the Marvins were related to the Pillsbury family in Minnesota -- but this one is in San Francisco. |
Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 9, 2002 - 6:33 pm: |
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Do any of our N.Y. members know if 135 Central Park West still exists? Can someone send me a photo, please? |
Pat Cook
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 9, 2002 - 9:17 pm: |
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Hi Jan,
It still exists because I found a few businesses there. I also located this, which may be useful to you.
http://www.nyu.edu/c lasses/finearts/nyc/ upperwest/langham.ht ml
Hope this is of some help,
Best regards,
Cook |
Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Thursday, May 9, 2002 - 10:40 pm: |
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Wow! What a great response. Thanks, Pat.
Jan |
Pat Cook
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| | Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:34 am: |
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Glad to be of help.
If you ever get a chance to see "Hannah and Her Sisters", I believe Hannah's apartment is in this same building, by the way.
Best regards,
Cook |
Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Sunday, August 4, 2002 - 4:37 pm: |
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Does anyone know what happened to Edgar Meyer's daughter? She was barely one year old. I have her baby picture. But, I wanted to mention something about her in my ET article.
This article is turning out to be quite interesting. I've uncovered some extraordinary facts. As soon as I gain permission to publish the photos, and with Phil's permission, I intend to post the article. |
Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 2:10 am: |
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Well, I'm putting the finishing touches to "Edgar Joseph Meyer: Lost on Titanic" --- this article promises to be one of my most controversial yet . . . A man hanged by a mob in Atlanta . . . an infamous French Captain -- all figure in to the story. There's a lesson, a moral, about Edgar's death. Too many articles on this site are technical, lackluster, cutesy soap opera-ish, and "safe." Nobody reads them; nobody cares. Some of the authors even apologize, in advance, for being perceived as raising a stink about some accepted principle, or view. That type of research doesn't further anything, but sleep. If any of you are so lucky as to get to read "Edgar Joseph Meyer -- Lost on Titanic," you may find it necessary to drop what you are doing, think about what you have read . . . maybe even shed a couple of tears, in passing. It is a moving, touching story with a deep underlying message. |
Michael H. Standart
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 2:54 am: |
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>>That type of research doesn't further anything, but sleep<<
A matter of perspective, Jan. Quite a few of us old salts find technical forensics issues quite interesting, and there is nothing that can be called "safe" about the sort of ground that's been explored by David Brown and Parks Stephenson, and which quite a few of us here continue to explore.
Nor can it be said that there's anything "safe" about exploring any aspect of the ever notorious Californian Incident which has been explored and published about by such as George Behe, Dave Bilnitzer, Dave Gittins, Tracy Smith, Erik Wood, and myself. Nobody can publish on that without drawing a helluva lot of flak regardless of what "side" they take. We've all learned this the hard way.
Having said that much, this isn't exactly everybody's cup of tea. While some of us find such research fascinating, others won't, and there's nothing wrong with that. The people involved sometimes tend to vanish from the scene or are remembered only by way of stereotypical mythmaking that goes right back to 1912. The kind of research you've been doing goes beyond that and is just as important.
Come to think of it, all of it is. Good luck with your article.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 1:49 am: |
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Fair enough . . . Michael, actually, I think the membership will like this article on Edgar Meyer. He was a man who had so much to live for. I've tried, very hard, to find some sort of lesson, or meaning, for humanity from his death. In a way, Edgar, along with others on the Titanic, kind of remind me of heroes . . . as the renown French sculptor Auguste Rodin portrayed heroes. If you have seen his sculpture, "The Burghers of Calias," it says a lot. If you look at the faces of people pictured on this site, none of them look particularly heroic. Like the "Burghers," they are ordinary people, caught up in events not under their control, making sacrifices, looking confused, scared, doubting and uncertain . . . yet, they are heroes. |
Randy Bryan Bigham
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 2:27 am: |
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Jan,
Surely you jest when you intimate that you can be controversial . But never mind - the subject determines the way it's approached. The Meyers have naturally interested me as they were shipboard mates of the Duff Gordons. I've always felt sad for Edgar because of what he wrote in Lucy's autograph book that last night. He seems to have had zest and a sense of humor - and a lot of hopes and dreams.
Congratulations on the completion of your article and I look forward to reading it and learning more about this enigmatic character.
Randy |
Michael H. Standart
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 4:55 am: |
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>>If you look at the faces of people pictured on this site, none of them look particularly heroic. Like the "Burghers," they are ordinary people, caught up in events not under their control, making sacrifices, looking confused, scared, doubting and uncertain . . . yet, they are heroes.<<
You're right. Quite a few of them are. They didn't start out that way. They just wanted to get to the other side of the pond, but then they got blindsided by the unexpected when things went horribly wrong. When it did, they each accated according to their gifts. When you get down to it, that's really all anyone can ask for.
>>...actually, I think the membership will like this article on Edgar Meyer.<<
Hay, anyone who can get a lynch mob gunning for him can't be all bad! I'll be looking forward to what you have to say about him.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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George Pastarmatzis
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 9:25 am: |
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In the first thread above, Lucile's valuables and some clothing appear to have survived. Does anyone else have any other info on these things, except for the silk kimono we have the chance to see in ET? Thanks!
George B. Pastarmatzis
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Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Monday, May 10, 2004 - 3:26 pm: |
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Does anyone have a photo of Leila Saks, or Edgar Meyer's daughter, Jane (I think was her name)? I want to use them in my upcoming article for ET. |
Randy Bryan Bigham
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 10:33 am: |
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I have not come across any photos of her though I have one of her father. As to George's comments about valuables and clothing of Lucile's surviving. Other than the kimono there is very little actually. The fur coat and lifejacket have disappeared and only the robe and a small jewelry bag are left. None of Lucile's jewelry has survived except for her wedding ring which one of her great-granddaughters wears today. |
Jan C. Nielsen
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 3:46 pm: |
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Thanks Randy. They have pictures of them at the University of California (Berkeley), including one of the baby. But it's a hassle going there, ordering the photo albums, and wearing white gloves while you go through them. Hoping to avoid having to do that again. |
Mark Baber
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 - 6:36 pm: |
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In fact, the 8 April 1912 death of Mrs. Meyer's father, Andrew Saks of Saks & Co., was the reason the Meyers were returning to New York. There are a couple of articles from The New York Times on Mrs. Meyer's ET summary page about this.
MAB
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OceanicSteamNavigationCo/
http://www.greatships.net/
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John Lamoreau
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 6:18 am: |
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Can anyone share with me a picture of Leila Meyer and possibly a copy of something with her hand writing? I am trying to determine if the Marconigram sent from the Carpathia with the message "Leila safe and well cared for. Edgar missing." is in her handwriting.
Thanks for any help. |
Bob Godfrey
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| | Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 10:30 am: |
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The messages would have been dictated to somebody like a purser's clerk, who filled in the form. I've seen others from the Carpathia with handwriting identical to that on the Meyer form. |
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