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Spencer Knarr
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 1:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

^^ Ok, it's obvious I can't spell tonight. The title of this thread should read: "Titanic HAD lazy CARPET layers."

After carefully inspecting several high resolution scans of the H&W photographs of various first class suites, I've come to the conclusion that the carpet layers were downright lazy! I submit the following as evidence:

Suite B38
B38

Suite B57
B57

Suite B64
B64

Ripples, bunching, folds...was this common in 1912? Did the technology for stretching a carpet not exist?

[Moderator's Note: The title of this thread has now been corrected. MAB]
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Michael H. Standart
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 3:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't know if this was common practice or not, but since these photos were probably taken when the ship was fitting out, what you see may not be what it looked like when they got done.

On the other hand, I can recall seeing some photos of Olympic's smoking room and library which were apparantly taken in New York and the carpet did have some rumples in it.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Jonathan Granato
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 3:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...or were the layers being pressured by the company to get the First Class rooms done? Remember, 2nd Class was partially unfinished.
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James Alexander Carlisle
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 6:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If these photos were taken while being fitted out, H&W would have rectified these small problems before she would have left Queen's Island.

The photos were sent to the Shipping Line to show how far they completed.
James (Jim) Alexander Carlisle
Belfast, Home of Titanic
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Spencer Knarr
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 1:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So these would have been mock photographs more than anything else? I'm imagining the second the photographer was done, workmen were back in the room moving all the furniture back out so they could finish the carpets.
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James Alexander Carlisle
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 2:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No I wouldn't use the word "mock", just to let the Shipping Line know how far they had come with the ship. Harland & Wolff took 2,500 photos of Titanic.
The workmen would be waiting until the photographer was finish and the Foreman would be nervous about getting everything finished.
James (Jim) Alexander Carlisle
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Bill West
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Posted on Wednesday, August 1, 2007 - 7:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

“Did the technology for stretching a carpet not exist?”
In a manner, no. More particularly it was vacuum cleaning that was not that universal and so carpets were not stretched to those nail strips we see at the edges of today’s wall to wall carpets. Instead the carpets were hemmed and just laid out, perhaps with eyelets and low brass pegs to hold the corners in traffic areas. That way the carpet could easily be removed to the outdoors for regular beatings. In 1910 railroads I have seen this in sleeping cars and I have seen “beating sheds” provided at terminals.

After the installation had been completed (as the others have pointed out) it would be the cabin steward who would straighten the carpet and tidy the fit in the corners. My impression from a period railroad car outfitted this way was that the carpets would not stay neatly in place without attention every few days, it was a labour intensive era.

Bill
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