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Trevor Powell
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Username: treypowell
Post Number: 233
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 9, 2008 - 5:42 pm: | 
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Hi Mike, I'd be interested to learn of any clothing or lifebelts saved by Lusitania survivors and still in existence.
The outfit worn by Margaret Brown was, for a while, exhibited at the site of her birthplace (now a museum) in Hannibal. It's a black velvet dress with striped lapels.
Ettie Dean saved the clothing she and her children were rescued in. When she died, Bert Dean and his wife discovered them in a trunk. Unfortunately, because the moths had devoured the cloth, they disposed of the apparel.
There's a plaid steamer rug on display at the Southampton Maritime Museum that was purportedly given to a crewman in a lifeboat.
A British Titanic Society member owns the emerald and crystal necklace worn around the neck of Florence Angle that night.
Nikola Lulic saved the spectacles he was wearing. They are now owned by his grandson. |
Michael Poirier
Member
Username: mike_poirier
Post Number: 861
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, October 9, 2008 - 5:53 pm: |
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Hi Trey
I had no idea about Margaret Brown. Hmmm... Lusitania... I do know that a few lifebelts were saved by Samuel Abramowitz and Patrick Hanley for many years. Mrs. Gwyer's camisole is on display in England. People saved paper items like letters, post cards, onboard newspapers- waterstains and all.
Sitting on stuff is called, 'squatty toad syndrome'.
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Trevor Powell
Member
Username: treypowell
Post Number: 234
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 9, 2008 - 9:45 pm: |
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Interesting stuff, Mike. The Cunard Archives preserves scraps of clothing from recovered Lusitania victims. Specifically, there's a plaid checkered portion of fabric removed from an unidentified victim's trousers.
To continue- Selma Asplund saved the wedding band she was wearing during the disaster. Her husband's ring was returned to her as well, among his other personal effects. She treasured them up until her final days. The pair were sold at an Alrdidge Auction in April, 2008.
There's speculation that the fur coat worn by Amy Stanley still exists. Aboard the Carpathia, Amy was assigned a cabin after being mistaken as a first class survivor because of her stylish garment.
A bit off topic- A few years back, I was in correspondence with the grandson of a Republic survivor, who was a steward. He shared photos with me of the navy tunic his grandfather was wearing during the collision, complete with its original White Star Line buttons. |
Chad Goodwin
Member
Username: cubby1969
Post Number: 48
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 2:10 am: |
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How about the musical pig........wasn't it also in A NIGHT TO REMEMBER????? |
Trevor Powell
Member
Username: treypowell
Post Number: 237
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 5:17 am: |
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Yes, Edith Rosenbaum's musical pig was left to Walter Lord along with the silk slippers she wore during the sinking. Apparently, she saved the dress she was wearing too, but it was, unfortunately, mishandled and lost with other luggage of hers at an airport in the 1950s. The pig mascot and slippers are now in the collection of the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich. |
Michael Poirier
Member
Username: mike_poirier
Post Number: 862
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 1:38 pm: |
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I believe the Wick family also has the jewels that Mollie saved.
Sitting on stuff is called, 'squatty toad syndrome'.
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Kyrila Scully
Member
Username: childstar413
Post Number: 1936
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 3:22 pm: |
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Mollie? Who is Mollie? |
Michael Poirier
Member
Username: mike_poirier
Post Number: 864
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 3:31 pm: |
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That was Mrs. Wick's nickname.
Sitting on stuff is called, 'squatty toad syndrome'.
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Kyrila Scully
Member
Username: childstar413
Post Number: 1937
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 3:46 pm: |
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Oh, I see. I had scrolled up to the top of the page trying to figure it out--guess I should have checked the archives. Thanks for the information. |
Trevor Powell
Member
Username: treypowell
Post Number: 238
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, October 13, 2008 - 4:24 pm: |
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The ball continues to roll... I believe Edwin Kimball preserved the silk necktie he wore during the sinking. I don't know its current whereabouts.
The diamond ring which Eloise Smith made such a special effort to save from her cabin remained in her possession until the mid-1920s, when her home was burglarized.
One must ponder where it is today... |
Marko LULIC
Member
Username: 05056191
Post Number: 88
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 4, 2009 - 9:18 pm: |
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Hello Mr.Powell
Nikola Lulic saved the spectacles he was wearing. They are now owned by his grandson.
These are quite different words than three years
ago when you had a talk with Mr. Jon Baddeley
Bonhams after auction sale.
Nikola LULIC wasn`t Lusitania survivor he picked up by lifeboat no 15 and in the early morning
transfered to Carpathia.
Eyeglasses are owned by his great grandson not
as you said grandson.
Excuse me for this notice.
Sincerely,
Marko LULIC ggson |
Kyrila Scully
Member
Username: childstar413
Post Number: 1963
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 4, 2009 - 10:25 pm: |
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Indeed, Nikola Lulic is registered as a third class passenger aboard Titanic who was rescued in lifeboat #15. His residence was listed as Chicago. He was 27 years old when he boarded Titanic in Southampton. |
Marko LULIC
Member
Username: 05056191
Post Number: 89
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 4, 2009 - 11:45 pm: |
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Thank you Kyrila.
Mr Trevor Powell knows what is background of my
notice. |
Michael Poirier
Member
Username: mike_poirier
Post Number: 915
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 5, 2009 - 3:13 pm: |
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Sounds like more of a private discussion you could send to Trevor.
Voyage, journal of www.titanicinternationalsociety.org
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Jim Kalafus
Member
Username: jak
Post Number: 5012
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, January 5, 2009 - 4:54 pm: |
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>Sounds like more of a private discussion you could send to Trevor.
..three years ago.
Still, it's the life you chose, I suppose. Good luck to you, come what may.
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Marko LULIC
Member
Username: 05056191
Post Number: 90
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 5, 2009 - 10:32 pm: |
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What private discussion? What are you talking about?
Mr.Powell wrote just a couple sentences on this
PUBLIC place and I answered. Nothing more.
In question is just true to ons`e word.
I know my words are sometimes very strong and
sharp but always true.
Thank you. |
Trevor Powell
Member
Username: treypowell
Post Number: 239
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 - 2:32 am: |
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Excuse me Mr. Lulic, but I never mentioned Nikola Lulic as being a Lusitania survivor. Furthermore, I had good reason to question the authenticity of the spectacles. Bonhams has sold several dubious Titanic "artifacts" in the past and the provenance behind each is worth but a grain of salt. Simple review their previous sales and you will find a multitude of blatantly fake items. Take for instance the white star deck chair that was purportedly removed from the Titanic at Queenstown by a photographer or the OSNC sugar caster which was supposedly taken from the cafe parisien. Review the various lots that included silver and silverplate items manufactured by Arthur Price for use aboard White Star Line vessels. There is no solid evidence that such a firm was ever commissioned by the White Star, nor do these items resemble the genuine patterns used by the line.
While I was researching the spectacles and speaking with Mr. Baddeley, I was in correspondence with a well-respected Swiss Titanic collector/historian who had contacts with some of Lulic's descendents who, when questioned about the spectacles, replied by saying that Nikola never wore glasses nor did the family acknowledge anything that he had saved from the sinking. I believe the relative was one of Lulic's daughters or grand daughters but I can't recall offhand.
If you would like to continue this discussion, please email me privately. |
Marko LULIC
Member
Username: 05056191
Post Number: 91
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 - 10:29 pm: |
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While I was researching the spectacles and speaking with Mr. Baddeley, I was in correspondence with a well-respected Swiss Titanic collector/historian who had contacts with some of Lulic's descendents who, when questioned about the spectacles, replied by saying that Nikola never wore glasses nor did the family acknowledge anything that he had saved from the sinking.
Your opinion in 2006.was probablly fake item.
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Nikola Lulic saved the spectacles he was wearing. They are now owned by his grandson.
Your opinion in 2008.
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I am agreed with you. Today existing many,to many artifacts with poor provenance witch worth is smaller than a grain of salt.
Please tell me what hapend? Why you changed
opinion about glasses during last two years.
Your well respected Swiss Titanic collector had a contact probably with Nikola`s older daughter
besides /ignorant old woman without elementary
school/.By me that wasn`t best way to explore
authenticity.
Finally I have had a special live talk show on
NATIONAL TV RTS /95 Th anniversary of sinking/
where I had a story about Nikola`s origin,life,
traveling and my artistik work related to Titanic.
What do you think,is there any possibility to say
any lie in front of couple milion watchers.
IT COULD BE VERY DANGEROUS.
Thank you again.
If you would like to continue this discussion,I will explain every detail of his life what I know.Please email me privately.
Marko LULIC
/I know my words are sometimes very strong and
sharp but always true./ |
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