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Jeff Davies
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Username: jeffmexdavies
Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Friday, December 14, 2007 - 1:21 am: | 
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Can anybody help me about some numbers which were on the bow of the ship near to the titanic name....I think the numbers were 390904...which when reversed were to read "NO POPE"...this was said to be a bad omen...especially by the catholic religion! I got the information from a book called "psychic forwarding's of the titanic tragedy"...
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Ann Whitworth Unemori
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Username: pandarosa
Post Number: 87
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 2:47 am: |
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Now I'm getting visions of the Titanic carrying John Paul II across the Styx..."Care to come on board, Your Holiness? Next stop Fiddler's Green!" Of course if Titanic is a Protestant ship... |
George L. Lorton
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Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1726
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 6:41 am: |
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quote:Next stop Fiddler's Green!
Now Ann have you been watching George Romero's Land Of The Dead. If not please disregard.
Jeff and Ann
"No Pope" -read Walter Lords TNLO were he make mince meat of the No Pope Legend.
Cordially,
George L. Lorton Esq.
"Your barroom days are over! Night is drawing near!"
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Ann Whitworth Unemori
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Username: pandarosa
Post Number: 88
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 1:06 am: |
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I'm just thinking of the old story of Fiddler's Green as the sailor's Heaven. It's in the Captain Stormalong tales; while he did prefer sailing ships, esp the beautiful clippers, he would definitely take his cap off to Our Lady Titanic. |
George L. Lorton
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Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1755
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 1:16 am: |
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I bet George Romero was when he wrote L.O.T.D. Alas it was a false haven in the movie.
quote:he would definitely take his cap off to Our Lady Titanic.
That he would. Unless he knew that she was cursed not by the fates but the Men who sailed her into the iceberg.
Cordially,
George L. Lorton Esq.
Vote In '08
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Robert T. Paige
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Username: jnb
Post Number: 872
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 19, 2008 - 9:13 pm: |
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>>Can anybody help me about some numbers which were on the bow of the ship near to the titanic name....I think the numbers were 390904...which when reversed were to read "NO POPE"...this was said to be a bad omen...especially by the catholic religion! I got the information from a book called "psychic forwarding's of the titanic tragedy"... <<
>>Jeff and Ann
"No Pope" -read Walter Lords TNLO were he make mince meat of the No Pope Legend.<<
Have to look up the reference to the number....but it seems there is no basis in fact...any numbers connected with Titanic were entirely different...definitely not those of the "No Pope Legend." Lord and other authors have pretty well debunked this as "myth and legend."
Respectfully Submitted,
Robert T. Paige
"The best I've seen, ma'am....Hardly any rats."
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Robert T. Paige
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Username: jnb
Post Number: 874
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:10 pm: |
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Jeff-
>> think the numbers were 390904...which when reversed were to read "NO POPE".<<
I don't believe the numbers were anywhere on the ship itself...possibly on some plans or specifications.
But the truth of the matter was that there were never any such numbers connected with the Titanic in the first place
The "myth" was that if you hold the numbers 390904
up to a mirror they spelled the "NOPOPE" :
(The "4" reversed looks a bit like a "N"; of course the "0" looks like a "O"; the "9" reversed looks like a "P"; the "3" reversed looks like a "E".)
Respectfully Submitted,
Robert T. Paige
"The best I've seen, ma'am....Hardly any rats."
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Stanley C Jenkins
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Username: stanley_c_jenkins
Post Number: 394
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 8:49 pm: |
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But I thought Harland & Wolff workmen did tend to chalk-up crude anti-Catholic slogans in and around their ship yard - political tensions were, after all, running high in Belfast at that time. Could this be part of the explanation of the "Pope" myth? |
James Alexander Carlisle
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Username: alick
Post Number: 250
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 2:11 pm: |
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As a grandson of a Titanic builder and a son of Yard tradesman I can say that there was never the 390904.
Yes there were anti home rule slogans at that time in and around the Yard. I don't wish to get into a political debate, but that is how the workers felt at that time.
Remember Lord Pirrie made himself very unpopular in February 1912 by helping to organise a meeting for Home Rulers.
The number 390904 if found would have been quickly removed when he did his inspections of the Yard.
James (Jim) Alexander Carlisle
Belfast, Home of Titanic
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Marilyn Lena Penner
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Username: marylinusca
Post Number: 237
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 3:03 pm: |
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Even though it has been disproven in 'A Night to Remember' and now by Mr. Carlisle [thank you], does anyone know if Mr. Jenkins has made a good guess? If the numbers were chalked up, the writer must have assumed that someone else would get the message. "390904" is obscure if no one knew what it meant. Were the numbers scrawled elsewhere in Belfast? Were they mentioned in police reports? Were pro-Home Rule slogans also scrawled on the walls?
Marilyn P.
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Stanley C Jenkins
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Username: stanley_c_jenkins
Post Number: 502
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 5:43 pm: |
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I think it most unlikely that pro-Home Rule slogans would have been chalked up anywhere near the ship yard - and if any such slogans had appeared in that part of Belfast they would been very quickly removed. |
James Alexander Carlisle
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Username: alick
Post Number: 253
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 8:41 am: |
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I don't think you would have found one pro Home rule slogan near the Shipyard. You would have found a lot of anti Home rule slogans in the shipyard. None would have on the ships.
On the day that Titanic was in Queenstown there was a large Anti Home Rule demonstration in my home town.
The number 390904 was told to Walter Lord in New York long after Titanic sank and I never heard of it until I read of it in a Titanic book. My Grandfather never heard of it and he was one of the builders!
James (Jim) Alexander Carlisle
Belfast, Home of Titanic
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