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Monica Hall
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Username: monica
Post Number: 925
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:37 pm: | 
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quote:Monica, another example is one of the Wilhelm Gustloff's captains being found hiding in a cutter
He WAS identified by his braid and yes he did survive as did the other three.
There were four captains on the Wilhelm Gustloff? Hardly an ideal situation, surely, but maybe one was the chief, and the others more like Executive Officers. War suspends all normal judgements. Just watched archived film from Iwo Jima, where the US troops were trying to accept surrender, knowing that most often the first one out had his hands up, but the others behind had grenades. But where they knew they had a genuine surrender, they were remarkably restrained and considerate, I thought. I don't suppose many Russians are proud of sinking the WG. |
Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 9357
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 7:22 am: |
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>>I don't suppose many Russians are proud of sinking the WG.<<
Maybe not today, but I doubt very much that a lot of tears were shed during the war. The Russians hated the Germans with a fiery passion, and after Stalingrad, it was hard to blame them.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 9360
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 4:59 pm: |
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Caught this interesting piece on MSNBC this morning:
quote:Officials say ferry sank hours before they knew
Owners waited to tell government about disaster, delaying rescue efforts.
CAIRO, Egypt - Egypt’s presidential spokesman said Tuesday the owners of the Red Sea ferry that sank last week, drowning about 1,000 people, did not inform the government of the disaster for nearly six hours.
Suleiman Awad emerged from a Cabinet session chaired by President Hosni Mubarak to say the government first heard from owner Al Salam Maritime Transport Co. that the ship was in danger at 7 a.m. Friday and was feared sunk at 7:45 a.m.
For the rest of the story, go to http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11221540/
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 9395
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 2:05 am: |
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From BBC.com;
quote:Wreckage of Egyptian ferry found
The al-Salam Boccaccio '98 was sailing in poor weather
Egyptian officials say salvage experts have located the wreck of a ferry which sank in the Red Sea almost two weeks ago killing about 1,000 people.
For the rest of the story, go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4722158.stm
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Matthew Newman
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Username: matuatay
Post Number: 156
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 12:54 am: |
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Thank you Mike for keeping us updated.
I look forward to reading about the findings.
The truth is out there.
Matthew Newman
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Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 9399
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 5:26 am: |
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>>I look forward to reading about the findings.<<
So do I, but I won't be holding my breath waiting for it. These affairs can take quite a bit of time to sort out, and the people who do the sorting don't always have a lot of interest in finding the reality so much as whatever "The Truth" is supposed to be.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Dave Gittins
Member
Username: gittins
Post Number: 3829
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 10:22 pm: |
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And you thought Lord Mersey could whitewash!
An inquiry has cleared the ship's owners and given an Egyptian Captain Lord six months.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7527652.stm
It's the same the whole world over,
It's a shame, a wretched shame.
It's the rich who gets the pleasure
And the poor what gets the blame.
Dave Gittins
Titanic: Monument and Warning.
http://users.senet.com.au/~gittins/Book.html
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 20675
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, July 28, 2008 - 5:41 am: |
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>>An inquiry has cleared the ship's owners and given an Egyptian Captain Lord six months.<<
Notably, the owners were very well connected with the "right people" Must be nice to have friends in high places. 
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 22903
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - 5:37 am: |
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From Arab View:
Maritime Musings
quote:I have been following with concern the fallout of the terrible tragedy that befell the Egyptian ferryboat “Salam 98”.
The sinking of this boat with the loss of over a thousand souls was a great shock. A greater shock was the incompetence, even corruption of the Egyptian authorities that allowed this tragedy to happen.
Full OpEd piece at http://www.arabview.com/articles.asp?article=569
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 25986
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 1:57 am: |
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From MSNBC:
Ferry owner in Egypt disaster gets prison
quote:CAIRO - The wealthy owner of a ferry that sank three years ago in the Red Sea, killing more than 1,000 people, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and negligence Wednesday and sentenced to seven years in prison.
Hundreds of victims' family members packing the courtroom in the Red Sea port city of Hurghada responded to the verdict with applause and shouts of "long live justice," but others protested at what they saw as an overly light sentence for ferry owner Mamdouh Ismail.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29639217/
Comment: About time!
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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