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George L. Lorton
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Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1732
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 10:33 pm: | 
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Seems you made a point as well. Prejudice in America? There was prejudice against Jews in the South of course. Burning crosses and such in the twenties and later in isolated instances but mostly the Jews were ignored and excluded in certain communities while in other communities people being Jewish wasn't an issue.
Cordially,
George L. Lorton Esq.
"Your barroom days are over! Night is drawing near!"
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Jim Kalafus
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Username: jak
Post Number: 4048
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 12:26 am: |
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>To the best of my knowledge, I can't recall similar instances of such flagrant prejudice among the English upper classes, either now or over the past century or so.
How soon the greats are forgotten!  Lest we forget, let me drag the delightful Baroness Birdwood, more frequently refered to as Lady Birdwood in the press, who commended media attention all throught her 1980s and 1990s for her anti-Semetic publications and extreme right poilitics.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Birdwood
A wonderfully vile woman, I could not recall her name until a few minutes ago and so had to hold off on bringing her up....but, while doing the dishes her name popped into my head.
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Jim Kalafus
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Username: jak
Post Number: 4049
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 12:55 am: |
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>I have never heard a British Jewish person complain about anti-Semitism
Have you ever discussed David Irving with them, or the fact that, as of 2005, (The last year the statistics are available) the National Front had garnered 4% of the vote in the prior election, or the sad fact that as late as 1989 there was small but very active group of wealthy holocaust deniers in Great Britain who actually contributed to the pension funds of elderly Nazis denied pensions by the German Government because they were involved with the S.S. way back when? If you DID discuss these issues with them, what did they have to say?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Irving
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George L. Lorton
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Username: retro_geo
Post Number: 1734
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 1:38 am: |
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Jim-
quote:If you DID discuss these issues with them, what did they have to say?
They would say that old gem "No Comment."
Cordially,
George L. Lorton Esq.
"Your barroom days are over! Night is drawing near!"
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Jim Kalafus
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Username: jak
Post Number: 4050
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 2:44 am: |
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From a 2005 issue of Jewish News Weekly:
...The report described conditions in Britain as “an alarming situation,” with statistics showing a steep increase in physical harassment, defacement of cemeteries, threats and propaganda against Jews. The forum blamed this in part on alleged anti-Israeli bias in the British media, whose hostility is “now spilling over into the streets,” the report found.
British Jewish groups expect that comprehensive figures due to be released next month by the Community Security Trust, a body that monitors threats to U.K. Jewry, will show an even higher rise in the number of anti-Semitic incidents.
“We anticipate that there will be a substantial increase,” said a spokesman for the Board of Deputies, the representative body of British Jewry. “We have made the point over the last four years that heightened anti-Semitism is clearly related to events in the Middle East and the coverage Israel receives. The CST figures will reflect this climate accurately and in detail.”
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Stanley C Jenkins
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Username: stanley_c_jenkins
Post Number: 382
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 4:02 pm: |
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I did not say that there were no anti-Semites in the British Isles, I said that I had never actually met a British one. I could very soon compile a comparatively long list of indigenous anti-Semites, including such delightful people as William Joyce, Father John Creagh, Arthur Griffith, Sir Oswald Moseley, Eoin O'Duffy and Unity Mitford. Most of these individuals were regarded as mad, bad or (in the case of William “Lord Haw Haw” Joyce) as figures of fun.
It is true that there has been an increase in anti-Semitic incidents in recent years, and these incidents have received widespread publicity, particularly in the left-leaning press and media. However, for reasons of political correctness, the soft left/liberals are afraid to admit that these attacks are, invariably, committed by militant Moslems, most of whom are new or recent immigrants.
The British National Party, and other fascist organisations, seem to direct their anger against immigrant communities from the Indian sub-continent rather than the Jewish community, although it is true that, in the 1930s, Moseley’s “Blackshirts” and O’Duffy’s “Blueshirts” were viciously anti-Semitic groups. |
Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 17351
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 4:26 pm: |
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>>or (in the case of William “Lord Haw Haw” Joyce) as figures of fun.<<
Some people couldn't have been that amused by this guy seeing as he was hanged. If This biography is even remotely accurate, he was quite a piece of work.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Stanley C Jenkins
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Username: stanley_c_jenkins
Post Number: 383
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 4:42 pm: |
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It is said that Lord Haw Haw made a deal with his MI5 whereby he would be hung for high treason while his wife Margaret was set free - a hint, perhaps, of residual decency in a former patriot who "went bad" in a big way. As a matter of interest, William Joyce was born in New York in 1906 and buried in London after his execution. In more recent years they dug him up again and reburied him in Ireland - but as traitors were buried in unmarked graves, how do they know they exhumed the right body? |
Bob Godfrey
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Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 3966
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 1:44 am: |
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Joyce was buried within the precincts of Wandsworth Prison, where the mapped position of the grave would have been recorded in the prison's Burial Register. In some of our older prisons there are as many people buried under the exercise yards as there are living inmates walking over them. |
Stanley C Jenkins
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Username: stanley_c_jenkins
Post Number: 385
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 7:47 pm: |
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In many cases (I do not know about Wandsworth), murderers and traitors were buried in unmarked and unconsecrated graves. In Oxford prison, for example, murderers were buried in the former moat, and when their graves were uncovered by archaeologists there was no record of who they were. This was presumably part of the punishment for the worst offenders. |
Bob Godfrey
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Username: bobgod1
Post Number: 3970
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 8:28 pm: |
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Like all executed criminals, Joyce was indeed buried in an unmarked and unconsecrated grave. Lying in unconsecrated ground was the real downer, as tombstones were expensive and unmarked graves were the norm until only a few generations back. But from some time in the 1830s (if I remember right) all British prisons were required to keep a Burial Register which recorded interments and their locations, so it's often easier to locate the final resting place of a murdererer than that of your great grandfather who died in his bed. |
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