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Jan C. Nielsen
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Username: jcnielsen
Post Number: 492
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 12:43 am: | 
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I came across a picture of this ship moored in San Francisco Bay. Apparently, it was leased from White Star Line by a local company named Occidential and Oriental Steamship Company. The head of the company was R. P. Schwerin. |
Philippe Delaunoy
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Username: phileas
Post Number: 87
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 12:28 pm: |
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Dear Jan,
Do you know when the picture was taken ?
The SS Belgic and the SS Belgenland are the same ship. The Belgic sailed under WSL flag from 1917 to 1923 because Antwerp (the biggest harbor in Belgium) was harldy destroyed after WWI. At the time she only had 2 funnels.
In 1923, the Belgic (WSL) became the SS Belgenland owned by the Red Star Line (Belgian Branch of the WSL).
Phil
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Jan C. Nielsen
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Username: jcnielsen
Post Number: 498
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 12:48 pm: |
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That may not be the one I had in mind, Philippe. There probably was a series of ships. The one I saw a picture of in San Francisco Bay was the Belgic II. My guess is that the picture was from the 1880s or 1890s. |
Philippe Delaunoy
Member
Username: phileas
Post Number: 88
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 2:01 pm: |
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Jan,
You are alright, in fact I was speaking about the Belgic IV.
Phil |
Mark Baber
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Username: mab
Post Number: 241
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 4:26 pm: |
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Jan and Phil---
There were two Belgics used on the O&O service. The first, Belgic I, was apparently chartered to O&O from 1875 to 1883; she was a single funnel, four-masted ship.
Belgic II also had one funnel and four masts. Her funnel was centrally located between the 2d and 3d mast, while Belgic I had her stack much closer to the 3d mast, according to the drawing in Haws' Merchant Feets. Belgic II was in the Pacific service from 1885 to 1898.
Red Star's Belgenland in her White Star days was indeed Belgic IV.
Source: Haws' Merchant Fleets.
MAB
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Philippe Delaunoy
Member
Username: phileas
Post Number: 90
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 9:42 am: |
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Thanks Mark,
Do you have any information concerning Belgic III ?
Phil |
Mark Baber
Member
Username: mab
Post Number: 243
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 1:56 pm: |
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Hello, Phil---
Guess I should have anticipated this question, shouldn't I?
Belgic III was in White Star service for only two years, from 1911 to 1913. She was a freighter/cattle carrier, built in 1903 as Atlantic Transport's Mississippi. She became Red Star's Samland in 1906, Belgic in 1911 and Samland again in 1913. She was scrapped in 1931.
"Belgic III" is the answer to a trivia question: Built by New York Shipbuilding of Camden, New Jersey, she was the only U.S.-built ship ever to bear a White Star name.
"Belgic" is also the answer to a trivia question, as its four uses by White Star makes it the most frequently repeated name in the line's history.
Source: Haws' Merchant Fleets.
MAB
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Philippe Delaunoy
Member
Username: phileas
Post Number: 92
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 3:10 pm: |
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Mark,
Thanks a lot ... I suppose I now have to buy Haw's Merchant Fleets Book !
I never found any postcard of the SS Samland here in Belgium but ... I'll try to look better.
Kind regards.
Phil |
Mark Baber
Member
Username: mab
Post Number: 244
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 5:02 pm: |
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I suppose I now have to buy Haw's Merchant Fleets Book
www.amazon.co.uk
www.internetbookshop .co.uk
www.motorbooks.co.uk
all have it listed.
This is a very useful book. There are, though, many typos and editing mistakes in it. I generally double check everything before relying on Haws.
MAB
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James Hill
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Username: polisher35ataol
Post Number: 126
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 4, 2002 - 6:09 pm: |
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heres a short profile of the 3 Belgics.
bought by white star :1894
in later years sold with Gaelic to spanish owners.they were quite prone to propeller damage.1884 got standed off liverpool,became a total loss.
Belgic 2 :1885
sold 1899 scraped in 1903
Belgic 3 :1911 sold 1913 scraped 1931. |
