| Author |
Message |
    
Dale Schadegg sr.
Member
Username: mocha
Post Number: 38
Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 - 1:57 am: | 
|
OK!! I hope I didn't po anyone. I am still hoping somebody has some information on deck colors |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 25204
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 - 4:17 am: |
|
Dale, at this point, I don't think any attempt was being made to camouflage the decks. In the battleship/cruiser Navy, they were still holystoned in peacetime.
Regarding the guns, which ones do you have in mind? There may have been provisions to mount those quad 1.1 inch guns at the time. See http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_1-1-75_mk1.htm
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
|
Dale Schadegg sr.
Member
Username: mocha
Post Number: 39
Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 5, 2009 - 1:31 am: |
|
Mike, The reason I'm confused (beyond normal)is that I have several different references but none are clear on decks. U.S.S. Arizona Ships Data Refers to holy stoned (Teak) and then later refers to deck blue ARRRRRGH!! It also stated that provisions had been made to fit the Quads forward of the 5" AA on the boat deck abeam of turret 2 and on the main deck abeam of the main mast. The fittings were supposed to be in place but no guns were mounted. The kits all have a .50 cal? in this position but I don't think the mounts were there earlier. Of course there are no pre-attack picts of Arizona or Pennsylvaina that show these positions that I have seen. I'm waiting for the Stiwell book and hope it will clear some of the confusion. |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 25227
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, February 5, 2009 - 3:53 am: |
|
>>I'm waiting for the Stiwell book and hope it will clear some of the confusion.<<
Hope you let us know what you find. It sounds to me as if they got as far as making the provisions for the 1.1's but never actually got around to fitting them. That's a common enough occurance even with new weapons systems today.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
|
Dale Schadegg sr.
Member
Username: mocha
Post Number: 40
Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 5:10 pm: |
|
Hello again, Just got Paul Stillwell's book and you were right. The tubs and mountings were in place but not the 1.1 inch guns. The last American photos that I have seen were probably taken in November 1941. Measure 1 is very visible in attack and aftermath photos. As far as the main and boat decks there have been no mention of camouflage. I think part of my confusion about them was caused by the conflicting directions in the model kits and the fact of how dark they look in the photographs that I have seen (all in B&W). |
Dale Schadegg sr.
Member
Username: mocha
Post Number: 41
Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 5:29 pm: |
|
Some of the confusion was probably due to the # of different paint schemes authorized by the Navy in 1941: measure 1 in January, Measure 2 in January (painted bow wave)(U. S. S. Nevada), measure 11 in September along with measure 12. Measure 11 has decks in deck blue. Source US Navy camouflage handbook C&R-4 (later renamed SHIPS-2) |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 25393
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 5:40 pm: |
|
>>The tubs and mountings were in place but not the 1.1 inch guns.<<
I'm not surprised. This was a reletively new weapon at the time and there was more fleet then there were guns available to fit. Had the Arizona survived, they probably would have been installed during the next refit.
One has to wonder if they would have helped anyway. The 1.1 was complex and had teething problems which rendered it unreliable. By the time the bugs were ironed out, the superior 20mm and 40mm were already being introduced.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
|
Tad G. Fitch
Member
Username: tad_fitch
Post Number: 323
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:25 pm: |
|
Hi Dale, hope you enjoy that book, I think it is the best resource out there regarding the Arizona.
Take care,
Tad |
Dale Schadegg sr.
Member
Username: mocha
Post Number: 42
Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 7:15 pm: |
|
Thanks Tad
The book has been invaluable with the drawings and photos. The narrative is one of the best I have read regarding a ship. |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 31664
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 2:09 am: |
|
From The Times OnLine:
Plans to sell tea set from sunken Pearl Harbor ship USS Arizona spark anger
quote:The proposed sale of a number of silver items recovered by a diver in the 1940s from the USS Arizona is causing controversy among veterans For an antiques hunter it doesn’t get much better than this: an early 20th-century, silver tea set including a candlestick, pedestal bowl, sauce boat and a teapot salvaged from the officer’s mess of the USS Arizona — one of the ships destroyed by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.
More at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6913431.ece
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
|
Closed: New threads not accepted on this page
