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Michael H. Standart
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Username: mstandart
Post Number: 9005
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 4:29 pm: | 
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And some no doubt were lost not because of a circular run, but because the bloody thing failed to go off in the side of the target vessel. It's a shame that nobody responsible for the development of the Mk.14 was ever held accountable for that. There might have been fewer names on that memorial at Pearl Harbour had the beast worked as it was supposed to.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Jim Hathaway
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Username: compassrose
Post Number: 124
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 4:54 pm: |
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The magnetic influence exploder was a disaster, especially combined with a percussion detonator with tolerances so tight, that impact would cause it to seize and fail to operate.
There was a lot of blame for both, both in and out of the navy-it was tested a few times off New London, and no where else.
Some can be blamed on the economies coming out of the depression, and yet, in an economically poorer country, Japan developed the magnificent Long Lance which was highly reliable. One Japanese boat (I-19) fired a spread of 6 , and obtained a one in a million result sinking the destroyer USS O'Brien, damaging the carrier USS Wasp (to the extent she had to be sunk), and badly damaging the battleship North Carolina, operating 6 miles beyond, with Hornet's task group.
Honjitsu tenki seiro naredomo nami takashi-...
Akiyama Saneyuki
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Pat Winship
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Username: pbowman
Post Number: 386
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:20 am: |
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I would like to visit the wrecks of the U99, U100, and U47. The first two should be very close to each other, since they were sunk attacking the same convoy-- their position is known to some extent. The U99 was Otto Kretschmer's boat-- Kretschmer and most of the crew survived. The U100, commanded by Joachim Schepke, was locatd at night in a fog by a primitive radar set on the destroyer Vanoc and rammed. Schepke was cut in two, and only six of his crew survived.
The U47 is a mystery. That was Gunther Prien's boat, the one that sank the Royal Oak in Scapa Flow. She may have been sunk by two British destroyers, she may have been a victim of a circling torpedo. No one knows exactly where she ended up, nor how she got there. |
Paul Lee
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Username: dpl
Post Number: 1452
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 11:28 am: |
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What wreck would I like to visit?
How about "my life"? |
Veronika Kelemenová
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Username: rose
Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 11:41 am: |
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I would like to visit wreck of Britannic. I read somewhere that this wreck will become underwater museum maybe. It would be great to see wreck of Titanic´s sister ship. Or what about wreck of Carpathia? It would be interesting too.
Titanic forever!!!!!!!!!
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Wayne Keen
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Username: dockeen
Post Number: 135
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 1:56 pm: |
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I am curious what sort of thing would be the key factor in folks decisions, like
(1) Finding a ship whose location is unknown - the "discovery" thing
(2) Finding a ship of historical interest
(3) Finding a ship of personal interest (one you sailed on for example)
(4) One whose condition promises internal interest.
I am sure there are others...
Wayne |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 9016
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 3:42 pm: |
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My own interest covers forensics angles, especially anything that clears up any existing mysteries or misunderstandings of how and why everything happened as it did. Titanic is a nice example of that. We know the fundamentals of the "what"...the collision with the iceberg...but the nuts and bolts dynamics are another matter.
And what the hell happened to the USS Cyclops? I don't believe in nebby aliens poking around in our seagoing navigation, magnetic anomalies stirring up storms or any of that other paranormal nonsense attributed to the Bermuda Triangle mythos. Whatever killed that ship was a down to earth sequence of cause and effect, but we won't know until we find and examine the wreck.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Wayne Keen
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Username: dockeen
Post Number: 136
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 4:44 pm: |
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Interesting point.
I wonder. Assume you find a wreck of interest on the bottom. In this thought experiment, you can go poking around it as much as you wish, with no danger to yourself.
Now, what do you think the probability is that you can figure out what happened to the ship to cause her to sink.
The context is this - the Fitz has been looked at pretty well, and there are still significant arguments about why/how she sank.
Some damage may make things obvious for sure.
It is interesting to think whether the freedom to do extended poking around, and the ability to "see" things well would be helpful in the more questionable cases.
This is why I like to play these thought experiments out...
Wayne |
Bryan R. Carroll
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Username: brcarroll
Post Number: 2
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 1:14 am: |
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I'd add 'unlimited visibility in low-viz conditions' to my special dispensation, and visit the wreck of the Brother Jonathan, off of Crescent City, California.
Then I'd walk around the bottom of San Francisco Bay looking for the lost wreck of the 'Rio de Janeiro', and also seeing whatever oddments find themselves on the bottom of the bay. |
Wayne Keen
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Username: dockeen
Post Number: 201
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 3:41 am: |
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"I'd add 'unlimited visibility in low-viz conditions' to my special dispensation"
Thats fine, you are superman in this experiment.
"Then I'd walk around the bottom of San Francisco Bay"
No need to walk, when you can "fly". ;)
It would probably be interesting to do something similar around NYC, but you would have to be ready for some potentially scary things.
Wayne |
Bryan R. Carroll
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Username: brcarroll
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 3:47 am: |
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Wayne:
True enough. I'd expect to find a certain amount of 'destroyed evidence'.
A friend of mine is a diver for the Sheriff's Office in a county in the Bay Area. He's got all kinds of interesting dinner-time stories. :-) |
Michael H. Standart
Moderator
Username: mstandart
Post Number: 9230
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 4:12 am: |
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>>He's got all kinds of interesting dinner-time stories. :-)<<
I'll bet these stories are a wonderful help for anybody's weight loss program. At least if they include graphic details about hauling up dead bodies that have been in the water for a spell. The people who do this sort of thing are made of sterner stuff then I am...or would want to be!
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Equal Opportunity Curmudgeon
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Wayne Keen
Member
Username: dockeen
Post Number: 202
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 3:08 am: |
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I have lived in places where an old quarry or two is somewhat analagous, though most of the time they are just ditching the remains of a car that has been stripped...
Wayne
p.s. One of the worst things I ever had to do was to bury a neighbors dog that had hung itself over by its chain over a fence, and had been hanging there a week while I was out of town --- digging in the rocky soil with that smell was....welll, ack...
Rottweiler too...
Wayne |
Laura Sprague
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Username: chicotower
Post Number: 3
Registered: 3-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 11:21 pm: |
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I would like to visit the wreck of Texas Tower No. 4, the USAF-manned offshore radar tower that collapsed and sank in a fierce noreaster on January 15, 1961. Had this tower been properly built, and/or had the crew been evacuated before that storm, 28 lives would never have been lost! What a needless waste and tragedy! |
Gaetane Catanzaro
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Username: milo
Post Number: 26
Registered: 1-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 9:27 pm: |
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my first choice would be Titanic off course
Second Lusitania
Third Wilhelm Gustloff
Fourth Estonia |
Martin Owen Cahill
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Username: martin
Post Number: 549
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 10:09 pm: |
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I would be interested in the Lusitania and the Gustloff before they were depth charged and ravaged by time and sea.
Martin
"No Sir, We just hit the cruiser"
helmsman on Queen Mary
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Timothy Trower
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Username: tjtrower
Post Number: 586
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 5, 2008 - 10:25 pm: |
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The Naronic.
Tim Trower
Please visit www.TitanicBranson.com, the World's Largest Titanic Museum Attraction
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Jeff Brebner
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Username: wheeds
Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 9:24 pm: |
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The Waratah (just to find it) or the Saratoga at Bikini Atoll. |
Rocky Whiteside
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Username: titaniccharlie1394
Post Number: 32
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 2:13 pm: |
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The SS Constitution. My grandmother came to America from Italy, on its maiden voyage in the 1950's, when she was 15. She was on her way to be scrapped around ten years ago and sank. |
Jeremy Aufderheide
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Username: jerauf
Post Number: 168
Registered: 1-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 1:03 am: |
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Has anyone visited the Constitution?
I'd go for the Empress of Ireland. |
Rocky Whiteside
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Username: titaniccharlie1394
Post Number: 33
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 2:17 am: |
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I dont think so |
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