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This discussion on "First Class Restaurants" is in the Eating on Board section; Originally Posted by Robert T. Paige This brings up a question.: Just who would Mrs. ...

      
   
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert T. Paige View Post
    This brings up a question.:
    Just who would Mrs. J. J. Brown have been assigned with in a group as mentioned ? (I'm not going to make the mistake of using "Molly Brown." :-) ) Did she ever eat at The Captain's Table ?
    Would the Chief Steward have had a problem there ? :-)
    Forgive me, but you're running afoul of popular misconceptions about Mrs. Brown. At the time of her sailing on board Titanic, she was far from a nobody, and her social standing was not that of the brash parvenu of legend. She was divorced by this time, with a handsome settlement and alimony (the alimony alone was equivalent to about $15,000 monthly today), and she was a patron of the arts, a philanthropist, a supporter of women's suffrage, a founder of the Denver Women's Club and the juvenile court system in America and had run - unsuccessfully, it is true - for the Senates of both Colorado and the United States, though she could not legally vote until 1920, when American women were finally granted that right. In 1902, she lent her Denver house to the Governor of Colorado to use as his official residence while the State's Governor's Mansion was being remodeled. She was on very good terms with John Jacob Astor, and had much more social polish than movies depict; she was fluent in several languages and was well-read. I doubt she could have "passed" for old money, but my sense of her, after reading about her extensively, is that she herself had a rueful sense of humor about the situation and rather wisely, decided not to care too much for the opinions of others. In addition, she dressed well and tastefully.

    She could not possibly have been ignored by any Chief Steward who valued his continued employment.

    P.S.: Despite my unkind words about motion-picture depictions of Mrs. Brown, her portrayal by Kathy Bates in the Cameron film is actually fairly reasonable. She is shown mixing with Astor, her wardrobe is correct, and the rough edges she never quite rounded off are not entirely overdone by Ms. Bates. It's a sympathetic portrait, if perhaps not accurate in every least detail.
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    Thanks for sharing. I have heard about this extraordinary woman, however, I did not know exactly what she was famous for. She was a very accomplished woman and ahead of her time regarding women's rights and the role of women during this time period.

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    I share Sandy's comments as to the portrayal of Mrs. Brown.

    "Titanic" (1997) was much better IMHO than ANTR.
    I don't think Astor would have addressed her as "Molly" though .
    I understand she was actually quite intellectual and fluent in several language after traveling in Europe
    and her fluency in several languages was used in her contacts with immigrant survivors aboard Carpathia.

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    Robert:

    There is one touch in the Cameron film I like very much. Obviously, it never actually happened, but it accords well with my sense of what Mrs. Brown might have been like.

    I refer to the moment when Jack Dawson (Leonardo di Caprio, of course), is momentarily taken aback by the ranks of cutlery flanking his place at the "swells'" table in the First Class dining room. Mrs. Brown spots his dismay, and swiftly gives him solid, correct advice on how to cope - "Start from the outside, and work your way in."

    It's a well-thought-out bit that sums up Mrs. Brown's trip from the underclass to a member of what Emily Post used to term "best society." She has learned her lessons, and knows how to impart them quickly, practically and without embarrassing this defenseless young man as she herself has been embarrassed.

    As I say, it never happened. But it gives insight into the generous spirit I believe the woman to have possessed, and that's good enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matteo Eyre View Post
    Wow that is most confusing!! on those grounds then would the jewish people like Strauss and Bauman have sat together?? or those with young children like the Allisons the Carters have sat together?? or those i believe to be excentric like Stead and the Duff Gordons?? Is it known of any people who definately sat with selected people like i'm pretty sure the Astors sat with the Wideners?? Or who served who??
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    Children in first class were not permitted to eat in the dining room with their parents. I read somewhere that the Laroche's booked in second class had originally planned to purchase first class tickets but switched due to the no children in the first class dining room policy. Though I am not completely sure to the validity of the Laroche family originally planning to travel first class.

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    They had originally intended to travel on the French liner La France, which presumably had an adults-only dining policy in both 1st and 2nd Class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Godfrey View Post
    The Cafe Parisien and Verandah/Palm Court areas were not restaurants. They were 'cafe' areas for socialising, with drinks and light refreshments available if required. Apart from the main dining room, the only place where a full meal could be ordered was the 'A La Carte' or 'Ritz' Restaurant, run by Mr Gatti and his staff.
    This is not true at all... The Parisien Café was on B-Deck next to the A La Carte Restaurant and had French cuisine , like small sandwiches , etc. The Verandah Café , however , was not considered a fancy restaurant, because it served snacks and drinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Godfrey View Post
    The Cafe Parisien and Verandah/Palm Court areas were not restaurants. They were 'cafe' areas for socialising, with drinks and light refreshments available if required. Apart from the main dining room, the only place where a full meal could be ordered was the 'A La Carte' or 'Ritz' Restaurant, run by Mr Gatti and his staff.
    Actually , yes it was, both of them were. The Café Parisien is considered a restaurant. The Verandah Café was too. The Parisien Café had French waiters who served little sandwiches , and the Verandah Café , just because it served light refreshments , it doesn't exclude it from being a dining place onboard! Anyway to answer Tammy's question , there were 4 restaurants the first class passengers could choose from. One , was the first class dining room ( the main dining room according to this quote) located aft of the forward grand staircase on D-Deck , and it was the largest room afloat by sources I have heard. The A La Carte Restaurant and the Parisien Café were next to each other on B-Deck near the aft grand staircase. Finally , the 4th place was the Verandah Café ( the one Bob said no to) located near the Smoke Room on A-Deck.


    About the Dining Room

    The First Class Dining Room was the largest room on the ship and the largest room afloat in he world at the period. It was located on D-Deck near the Reception Room , which had the D-Deck landing of the grand staircase right there. Many of the richest people ate their meals here, like J.J. Astor. The forward part of the room had 2 sets of doors , and next to those doors were 3 huge arched windows. Titanic Honor and Glory shows it on their webpage.

    About the A La Carte Restaurant

    The A La Carte was the most expensive restaurant onboard. They served food even past the dinner hours. It had its own reception room adjoining it on B-Deck. On the last evening aboard the RMS Titanic before she struck the iceberg, the Widener family held a party in the A La Carte. The tables were decorated with lamps and pink roses.

    About the Parisien Café

    The Parisien Café was right next to the A La Carte restaurant, located on B-Deck. It was designed to look like a French sidewalk café, and there were French speaking waiters who served little nice sandwiches French people would eat.

    About the Verandah Café and Palm Court

    The Verandah Café was located on A-Deck aft of the First Class Smoking Room, where passengers who enjoyed a stroll on the promenade deck could stop here for a drink and a snack. The room was decorated to look like you were eating outdoors. Actually there were 2 sets of these rooms. The port side was the place that everyone ate at. The starboard side café was used by the children of first class as a playroom.

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    Today virtually any establishment serving food can call itself a restaurant. Back in 1912 among First Class clientelle the term was reserved for those establishments which served the market for what today we would call 'fine dining', offering sophisticated menus for complete meals of high quality and at high cost. Coffee and sandwiches, even light snacks, did not make the grade even if served by French waiters. That's why the Cafe Parisien and the Veranda Cafe were not considered to be restaurants and would never have been referred to as such.

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    I understand, but it was only the Verandah and Palm Court Cafe that was the not the place to take a meal. The Parisien Cafe on the other hand, had meals.
    Last edited by Mark Baber; 2nd May 2015 at 02:26 PM.

 

 
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