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This discussion on "Harold Bride photos" is in the Harold Bride Wireless Operator section; Lightoller also thought that Philips was on Collapsible B: "We knew that ships were racing ...

      
   
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    Lightoller also thought that Philips was on Collapsible B:

    "We knew that ships were racing to our rescue, though the chances of our keeping up our efforts of balancing until one came along seemed very, very remote. Phillips, the senior wireless operator, standing near me, told me the different ships that had answered our call. Of these, according to their positions, undoubtedly the Carpathia was nearest and should be up with the position where the Titanic sank, by daylight."

    He goes on to say, "Slowly—oh how slow it seemed—she worked her way towards us. Meantime the boat under us showed unmistakable signs of leaving us altogether. I think it must have been the final and terrible anxiety that tipped the beam with Phillips, for he suddenly slipped down, sitting in the water, and though we held his head up, he never recovered. I insisted on taking him into the lifeboat with us, hoping there still might be life, but it was too late. Altogether there were thirty of us boarded the lifeboat, and later on I counted seventy-five living, apart from those lying on the bottom boards. If a sea got up it was going to take all my knowledge of boat-craft to keep her afloat."

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    Lightoller might eventually have come to accept one or another of Bride's versions of events and believed that Phillips was on the upturned boat, but he certainly had no first-hand knowledge of this at the time. At the American Inquiry he said: "I think the senior Marconi operator was on the boat and died. The Marconi junior operator told me that the senior was on this boat and died".

    If Bride was the source of that assessment, his own report to the Marconi traffic manager makes interesting reading: "I learned later from several sources that he (Philips) was on this boat and expired even before we were picked up by the Titanic's lifeboat No 12"

    So who actually saw Phillips on collapsible B, if not Bride or Lightoller? Certainly not Gracie, whose accounts make it clear that Bride was the Marconi man who spoke to Lightoller, and that, with regard to the body transferred to boat 12: "Lightoller was uncertain also which one he was of two men he had in mind, but we were both certain that it was not the body of Phillips"




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    Gracie pretty much dealt with the Bride story in his book - fortunately, he delved into the matter very soon after the disaster, before the memories of the participants became hazy. Bride and Lightoller seem to have placed Phillips there on the basis of hearsay from others. From memory, Thomas Whitely was the only one who claimed he saw Phillips there, and Whitely was a bit of a clearing house for gossip. Bride's own reports to Marconi stated that the last time he saw his colleague he was heading aft.

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    Bride varied his story quite a bit. On 20 June 1913, in the civil court, he agreed with Henry Duke, who said, "You were washed off the deck and Phillips was drowned." In the context, Duke may have meant that both the operators were washed off. As he said, "I think it was a sheer accident that you did not share Phillips's fate."

    This version is more in line with his letter to the Marconi company. I fear that Bride's TNYT article put him in an awkward position at the inquiries. The story may well have been embroidered for public consumption and we can't tell how much was added by Jim Speers from TNYT. We end up with various versions of the death of Phillips and the fight with the stoker. Bride later found himself at the inquiries with these tales already in circulation.
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    The Bride biography is pretty much ready to go up on "On watch"

    Dave,

    I agree that the NYT article came back to get Bride. It does read as quite dramatic lol.

    As for Bride being a recluse in his later years my sources say it simply isn't true, and that he was quite happy chatting to friends in Scotland where he lived about the disaster.

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    In terms of that NYT interview, I've never viewed it as that completely dissonate in terms of how it fits with the other accounts Bride gave later on. When I read it, I see someone trying his best to give his version of events, but not being able to quite put them together in such a way that it makes sense to the average reader. I do have to wonder if the finished product wasn't a result of Mr. Speer's writerly skills. Maybe a large part of what Harold actually said to him wasn't in those words, but Speers had to put something together by the deadline, and so he took the comments he did get and made it the best little compelling tale he could. It's artistic license in a non-artistic medium, if you will.

    Is there any indication at all that embroidering tales for dramatic effect was part of Harold Bride's character?

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    I've long wondered about Bride's account of the "You are a fool, shut up" exchange with Frankfurt. He gives two different times for it. Why did he give it at all? It reflected badly on Phillips, who Bride was so keen to make a hero of. Did Bride think somebody else might tell it and want to get in first? In the event, nobody else recorded it. It's a pity that we depend on Bride for so much of the story.
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    Dave,

    I suspect that during his visit with Bride aboard the Carpathia, Marconi himself encouraged Bride to take an everyday occurance and play it up a little. The Frankfurt, after all, carried a Telefunken set. But, that's just speculation on my part.

    Parks

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    Parks Stephenson
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    By the way, in order to answer the original question posed in this thread, the Bride family owns several unpublished photos of Bride. One of the family members has a biography about Bride in the works, which will be your only chance to see these photos. I was privileged to see at least some of these photos, including a full-figure portrait of Bride in Marconi uniform, with cap on his head. And no, I was not allowed to copy it.

    Parks

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    Parks, could you please keep us posted on that Bride biography? Will it be a website? A book? I'd love to see it either way as Harold, along with Mr and Mrs Strauss are my favorite Titanic people.Thanks in advance..

 

 
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