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This discussion on "Clive Palmer's planned Titanic II" is in the Titanic News section; I personally have no burning desire to stop Mr Palmer in his tracks, but Dave, ...

      
   
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    I personally have no burning desire to stop Mr Palmer in his tracks, but Dave, if you want to get a result concentrate on Southampton and start lobbying. You can't stop the ship from being built but, in the unlikely event that the project does get under way, if you want to keep it out of Soton then write to your local MP and Councillor and encourage others to do the same. Petitions can be legally ignored; letters from constituents to elected representatives of government cannot - they are obliged to respond to each one, and if those letters arrive in numbers sufficient to represent a significant body of opinion (which you say exists) then they should feel obliged to raise the matter in Council or even in Parliament. Publicise your need for support by making contact with local newspapers and radio stations and offer to express your concerns and to debate the issue with those who have different views - the Media are always interested in controversial issues. Get a team together to spread the load, and stir things up where it counts. Signing a petition might make you feel better as you said, but starting an organised campaign might actually achieve something.

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    Already in progress Bob. We have been contacted by local and national press already. I personally know the mayor of Southampton too so I will be speaking with him soon. The trouble with today's society is that they are very lazy. Its hard enough to get them to take the time to merely type their name let alone a whole letter sadly. But one can only try.

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    You might need to accept that those people who can't be bothered to voice their opinions just don't have any strong opinions to voice, Dave. Petitions of course are much easier to get off the ground because they require so little effort. They're often signed by people who have little or no interest in the matter in hand and simply jot their name down because it takes only a moment, and that's easier than saying no to a friend, neighbour or colleague (or just someone who seems sincere) who asks them to sign. That's one of the reasons petitions are ignored. But a detailed statement of opinion or intent, jointly signed by a relatively small but highly significant group of individuals, really can be useful. A petition against a particular technological development, for instance, even one with tens of thousands of names, has little or no impact while a letter signed by just ten leading experts in the field is meaningful. In this case, the names which would have most impact are those of people like yourself who live locally and whose familes had a direct personal connection with the Titanic. Joint letters from those people (and only those people) might be the best way to go, and of course you wouldn't then need them to persuade them to write individially, just to add their signatures. Not lots of random signatures from people without involvement, of course - that would leave you with just another petition destined for the waste bin.

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    >>I personally know the mayor of Southampton too so I will be speaking with him soon.<<

    Uhhh....Mr. Palmer is an Australian and the shipyard which is building (supposedly) this ship is in China. Neither of them answers to the mayor of Southampton and I can gaurantee you that the Chinese don't give a flip...and don't have to.

    If you want to "Talk To Somebody" about this, you need to go to the land down under.

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    Cheers for the encouraging input Michael. Perhaps so but assuming the monstrosity is ever built we can ensure that it never comes near our city. Southampton is the busiest cruise port in the UK. We don't need this circus act. Port authorities are already annoyed that Mr Palmer is boasting how it will run from here as he hasn't filed a permission request at all.

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    >>Perhaps so but assuming the monstrosity is ever built we can ensure that it never comes near our city.<<

    Maybe

    >> Southampton is the busiest cruise port in the UK. We don't need this circus act.<<

    And your fellow crown subjects may be of the contrary opinion. Be careful when presuming to speak for others.

    >> Port authorities are already annoyed that Mr Palmer is boasting how it will run from here as he hasn't filed a permission request at all. <<

    Since the ship is a few years away from being completed...if she's ever completed ay all...I doubt they're all that massively concerned about it in reality.

    That said, I'm afraid you're missing the point. Your goal appears to be to ensure that this ship never comes into existance in the first place and if that's the case, you can forget dealing with the mayor of Southampton. He has no influance, standing, jurisdiction, or authority in either Australia or China. He can make all the noise he want and they'll just tell him to go pound sand and make it stick.

    If this "cause" of yours is so important to you, then go to somebody who actually has the power to do something about this.

    Hizzonor The Mayor does not.

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    I'm joining the conversation a little late, but I do not understand what's so wrong with building this replica (IF they eventually build it). If I had the money, I would buy a ticket right now What is it, some consider it not respectful? Or what?

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    Let me put it this way. If your parent/grandparent/ great grandparent had died in a tragic accident or major disaster, would you want complete strangers masquerading as them, reliving their final moments for fun?

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    You mean like re-enacting historic battles? Or touring a museum or historical site? Or watching a blockbuster movie recreating such an event? Or tossing a coin with an assassinated leader casually in the change drawer? Or celebrating a holiday for someone who was killed? Or parading around an internet form discussing every little tragic detail for your perverse amusement, demanding that your opinion and only your opinion mattered?

    Let me put it this way, if your parents had died on the Titanic, then you would not be alive today. The ship sank 100 years ago, everyone who was personally involved is now dead. How long must you treat history like a fresh wound? The dead are dead. Let the living live.

    You are offended because you choose to be offended, because nursing the offense and holding it over others makes you feel important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Fredericks View Post
    Let me put it this way. If your parent/grandparent/ great grandparent had died in a tragic accident or major disaster, would you want complete strangers masquerading as them, reliving their final moments for fun?
    I don't see it that way, I don't see it as a masquerade or a thing done for fun... I have to say I agree with Tim here, in the way you put it no one should never make a movie/game/museum about historical events in where people died. I don't have any relative who died in the Titanic, but I do have a grandfather who fought in WW2, and I would be glad if there would have been a reconstruction of the African concentration camp he was staying in. I don't see it as disrespectful.

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    Let's get one thing clear. I am certainly not holding anything over anyone to feel important. But I do choose to be offended. That is my right. If eccentric Clive built an exact replica of the world trade center, then charged tourists to dress up as NY firefighters or office workers, with the opportunity to parachute out of the windows would you feel so blasé about it? Surely not? This is no different in my eyes. I am merely trying to get across to you why I find this distasteful. If you disagree, that is your prerogative and I accept that, but don't run me down for having an opinion that is the polar opposite of yours. I posted the petition link as it offers a place where people with similar views can comment and voice their concerns without being belittled for it. :/

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    >>Let's get one thing clear. I am certainly not holding anything over anyone to feel important. But I do choose to be offended. That is my right. <<

    Yes it is. However, there is NO right to not be offended.

    >>but don't run me down for having an opinion that is the polar opposite of yours.<<

    You're missing the point. Go back and read my advice since you appear to have missed it. If you want to do something of substance then you need to go to somebody who has the authority to do something about it. The Mayor of Southampton has NO authority over an Australian citizen or a Chinese business.

    >>I posted the petition link as it offers a place where people with similar views can comment and voice their concerns without being belittled for it. :/ <<

    And I've pointed out that online petitions are useless from a legal standpoint and explained why they are useless from a legal standpoint.

    The problem with your approach is you're going for the symbolic and confusing it with substance.

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    Sorry im late to the party but anyone seriously protesting t he building of titanic 2 is in my point of view a friggen moron. Sorry if this offends you but its true. If you disagree with the project fine thats your right. You dont have to sail on it but. Think in all honesty your very narrow minded and your perspecive is highly skewed. Im 100000% in favor of seeing i built and if at ll possable i would give anything to work aboard it. History deserves to be rememberd and remembered for what it was and what it stood for, and thats being ALIVE. If you want to protest fine protest. Protest th other titanic musuems like titanic belfast or any of the other ones the orld over a well. Bury the past in the sand or in this case under the ocean and just forget about it. Hell lets shut down this site and the other ones like it. Lets round up all th copies of titanic and night to remembe and all the other titanic books n movie and th like and lets burn them cause apparently to you remembering the past in any way is offensive. Cause im sure, if any of the ppl lost on titanic today could speak to us they would be saying "hey forget about us. Forget how we luce an died and all the joy and sorrow that came with that and forget ll th lessions that we learned from it!" Building titanic 2 in my view and you have every right not to shar in it but in my perspective is the definitive way of remembering and experencing titanic for what it was ment to be. A ship of dreams.

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    >>Sorry im late to the party but anyone seriously protesting t he building of titanic 2 is in my point of view a friggen moron. Sorry if this offends you but its true.<<

    That is an extremely condescending and breathtakingly arrogant statement to make.

    That is all.

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    Dont care. Its the truth.

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    Erm, so you are implying Albert that protestors who have a direct connection to the disaster, ie family members of someone who was actually aboard Titanic are "friggin morons" for wanting to preserve the memories of their loved ones? Fortunately I couldnt care less that you consider me a moron, but no one here except you has suggested that we demolish museums, burn books or close websites. You are assuming that I want everything associated with Titanic to dissapear. Quite the opposite. They all play an extremely important part when it comes to educating future generations about the disaster. Cinema too, to a degree helps spread the word among the modern generation but it is when fiction begins to get blurred with fact that I begin to get a little concerned. Mr Palmer will have a camera set up on Titanic II's bow so that travellers can recreate their very own Jack & Rose moment, whom we all know are just imaginary characters created by Hollywood and are nothing to do with the history of the sinking itself. Mr Palmer has also stated that he isn't building this for the money, but as a floating memorial to all those who perished and survived the original, yet a member of his team who was sat at my table at the press release in Southampton seemed very excited about the amount of revenue that would be generated from advertising space on Titanic II's funnels and hull. Blatant commercialism of a disaster, surely? Off the top of my head I can't recall any other Titanic memorial covered in advertisements. It is a shame as the ship has the potential to be an incredible educational tool, yet I fear it will be little more than a floating theme park for the wealthy to live out their fantasies and dress up like extras from the movies for their own amusement. Mr Palmer dosen't help his case by issuing odd catchphrases like "we will complete the journey they couldn't", which unintentionally mocks everybody who was on the original for their apparent failure.
    Sadly I have realised now that there are far more people in the world with no connection to the disaster who want it built, than there are people in the world with a direct connection who do not want it built. There isn't much I can do about that unfortunately, except to continue to try and explain to people why some families of those affected by the disaster feel the way we do about this whole project. And if that makes me a friggin moron, then so be it.

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    [QUOTE=Dave Fredericks;367843] ie family members of someone who was actually aboard Titanic[QUOTE] I'm a little wary of this argument. The Titanic sank over a hundred years ago. How well do you actually know anybody who was on it. That's a little like me holding the Mayflower over your head and the need for me to preserve the memory of my dear lost ancestors. Fifty years ago, that argument might have held some merrit. We're getting to the point where nobody alive remembers anybody alive at the time. It's not like someone building a replica is going to cause you nightmares about your dear aunt Betsy.

    [QUOTE]but no one here except you has suggested that we demolish museums, burn books or close websites.[QUOTE] This is implied by the argument. In what way is building a Titanic replica and dressing as passengers wrong? Yet filming fictional love stories, writing poetry, deciding which stateroom you'd most like to sleep in, describing your Titanic dreams, obsessing in a museum, how are all of these things ok? Can you describe reasonably what makes them different other than your subjective opinion. If you can't define the difference, then banning one implies banning the other. Preserving the one implies preserving the other. I am interested in your argument as to why they are different.

    [QUOTE]have a camera set up on Titanic II's bow so that travellers can recreate their very own Jack & Rose moment, whom we all know are just imaginary characters created by Hollywood and are nothing to do with the history of the sinking itself.[QUOTE] How is this any more wrong than the movie itself? It's the same fiction. If people choose to remember the Titanic by the romance of it, as personified by two fictional people, why is it our business to stop them? How do you know that they can't tell the difference between fiction and reality?

    [QUOTE]yet a member of his team who was sat at my table at the press release in Southampton seemed very excited about the amount of revenue that would be generated from advertising space on Titanic II's funnels and hull.[QUOTE] Was this person speaking officially in respect to the actual plans?

    You seem awfully well connected. You seem to be inside the Palmer crew, have connections to the Mayor, and are a relation to a Titanic victim. Forgive if I'm skeptical about how important and well-connected you are.

    [QUOTE]Blatant commercialism of a disaster, surely? Off the top of my head I can't recall any other Titanic memorial covered in advertisements. It is a shame as the ship has the potential to be an incredible educational tool, yet I fear it will be little more than a floating theme park for the wealthy to live out their fantasies and dress up like extras from the movies for their own amusement.[QUOTE] How is this different than Mr. Cameron's movie? How is it different than the museums now which make their bread by selling tickets to oogle the disaster? Why does "the wealthy" matter? Would you be ok with this if they filled the ship with poor people?

    If you wish to honor the Titanic, then do it in your own way, and allow others to honor it in theirs. I don't see that you or I have the calling or the place to be the thought police and tell people what they can or can't revere, or the way in which they must revere it.

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    Hi Tim. I shall endeavour to answer some of your questions.

    1) You can make that argument for all the people who perished. No one alive today personally knew anyone who died April 15th 1912. But their spouses/children were traumatised by this event believe it or not, as were many of the survivors, and many of these have only passed away within the last 50 years, so yes there are still many people alive who personally knew someone affected by the disaster and has personal knowledge of their memories, wishes and beliefs. In another 50 years, your argument will be valid, but at this point in time it is not, and still very real.

    2)The difference between them is Educational instead of Recreational. I'll use a recent example. An actor playing Hitler in a movie is deemed perfectly acceptable as it is depicting History and in doing so educating people, provided the screenplay is accurate of course. But when Prince Harry dressed up as Hitler for fun at a fancy dress party there was pubic outcry here for being distasteful and disrespectful to all those affected by the war. He of course was just trying to have fun and did not think for a minute his actions would be offensive to anyone. He certainly never meant any malice. But it did upset people. Just as the building of a second Titanic is for what I now know to be the minority.

    3)I know because I have seen it with my own eyes. At Belfast this April I was looking at the roll of all those who perished, when I heard a couple next to me say there were looking for Jack Dawson. When I pointed out that he wasn't a real person, they seemed surprised and a little disappointed. Over 1500 names of real people on that list and they were looking for a movie character! Whilst the Cameron film did rejuvenate interest in Titanic, (which is good), It has had its place and I do not believe we should be encouraging people into the ever-increasing misconception of believing the couple were a part of the actual ships history. There were plenty of other interesting romances aboard the original, why continue to follow a make believe one?

    4) Speaking officially? Well if you mean was he addressing the entire room from a podium then no. But he was the shipping lines appointed representative for questioning at our table, yes.

    4a) Awfully well connected? I don't know about that. I was invited to the press launch by the BBC as I had previously done some work with them on Titanic projects. As to how I know the mayor, that is personal info that I won't share on a forum board, but if you'd like to private message me I will happily provide details. As to my relationship to a Titanic crewman, Surviving Trimmer Walter Fredericks was my Great-grandfather. My father was aged 26 when Walter passed, so has very fond memories of him. Quite why I have to justify my relationships for you I don't know, but since you asked.

    5) Again, (in my opinion), one cannot with one hand state that the project will be a floating memorial with no thought of money making, when with the other collect ticket sales of millions of dollars whilst posting billboards all over the exterior. Believe it or not, I went with an open mind to the press launch of Titanic II, but came out feeling very disillusioned about the drive behind the project and the direction it is heading in. Why do I mention the wealthy? Because they are the targeted audience.

    5a) I take great pleasure in learning more about the Titanic. Be that walking around a museum, reading a book, watching a documentary, or swapping tales with other Titanic descendants. I certainly wouldn't want to dress up as someone who died tragically and relive their final few days aboard a replica of a ship that sent them to their doom. I just don't understand the logic behind that at all. Perhaps you may be able to help explain that to me because I am really struggling with it, and I mean that sincerely. The only thing I can can come up with is that there are so many people with no connection to the tragedy, that for them, a voyage aboard Titanic II would be their connection?

    6) I agree in part. People will do what they want to do regardless. Maybe I went about this all wrong. All I was trying to do is get across the fact that not everyone in the Titanic community or the towns it affected thinks this project is a great idea. This is an open forum after all, and surely everyone has the right to comment be it pro or con. In return I've been ridiculed and name called. I can live with that. I've broad shoulders. I'm just disappointed that its all starting to get a bit personal. I certainly meant no offence. Just trying to get a point across.

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    >>Dont care. Its the truth. <<

    No Albert, that's your opinion. There are people who share it (Yes, they're out there) and a substantial number who do not. What they all hold in common is that they are much better informed on how the cruise industry actually works then you are.

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    Dave, I'm most impressed with the caliber of your response, and I apologize if I've made it personal.

    1. As far as trauma goes, I think we're past the statue of limitations. The wreck was a terrible tragedy, and more than that to the people who experienced it. But those who suffered secondary and tertiary trauma suffered it on a much smaller scale. It has also been 100 years since the sinking and if people haven't learned to cope with it by now, I think that indicates that those people need counseling, rather than that the general public needs to be more sensitive. I believe my argument is valid now, and probably has been since about 1962 (Fifty years later). We obviously disagree here, and I can live with that.

    2. I don't see any pertinent difference between education and recreation. Some people educate themselves as a form of recreation. Either way, I don't see that telling people how they should or shouldn't think about an event is far off from telling people how to think. This is really part of my main beef here. If a person wants to dress as a Nazi, then it may be tasteless and crass, but I wouldn't start a petition against them - I'd just avoid them. As a public figure, a British Prince ought not to dress as an avowed genocidal dictator: it is inappropriate to do so as a royal person. As a private person, Mr. Palmer has the right to be as obnoxious and tacky as he can afford, as do we all. You have the right to take offense at that, if you so choose.

    3. There are always people who can't tell the difference between entertainment and reality. While people certainly should be educated on the difference, I think restricting entertainment and what people can think is going too far.

    3a. "There were plenty of other interesting romances aboard the original, why continue to follow a make believe one?" James Cameron's story was very poetic, and since we don't have to worry about getting details wrong and offending a real person, it allows for a richer and deeper story which still helps draw people into the true history of the Titanic.

    4. If he has was speaking officially, I'd be more concerned as an investor than as a lay person. I can't imagine who would pay to sail on a Titanic replica plastered over like a billboard. But then, I've been skeptical about the financial feasibility of the project for a while.

    4a. "Quite why I have to justify my relationships for you I don't know" You don't have to justify them, and in seriousness I'm not asking. I don't view personal connections as a valid form of argument, and I'm suspicious of arguments that contain anything more than the most vague hints of personal clout.

    5. I don't see money-making as a relevant detail. Some in this day and age are inclined to vilify money as "the root of all evil", I feel no such inclination. I also think that few rich people are inclined to play-act as dead rag-pickers and coal-shovelers, so if Mr. Palmer's idea is to sell million-dollar tickets and expect more than a handful of guests, I'd raise an eyebrow or two. But I don't see this as much different than Bruce Beveridge, who sells his Titanic blueprints for money, or any of the dozens of book authors who sell a glimpse at the Titanic for money. Mr. Palmer is just doing it on a ludicrous scale.

    5a. People learn about and identify with the past in various ways. Some people re-enact historic battles, some dress up in costume. As a some-time actor, I can tell you that wearing a costume is a wonderful way to get into character. In that respect, clothes really do make the man. And if you were to ride aboard the Titanic II, would you rather see people in period clothing, or wearing Mickey Mouse T-shirts (Though I doubt Mr. Palmer has thought of it that way, nor any idea how he plans to enforce it)? I personally identify with history by studying its technology and architecture, and the way information was shared. These subjects help illuminate the past for me. Some people draw pictures, and this helps them connect to the past. Some people like to put their hands on actual artifacts. Others write historical fiction, and use that to try to understand the motivations and influences on people in a given place and time.

    I imagine that Palmer probably views this as a sort of revenge on history for sinking the Titanic. To him, remaking the ship and placing it on the water again, sailing it into New York harbor may be a way to un-sink the ship and its memories, just as many people still try to find ways that the ship could have survived (like opening all the watertight doors, or stuffing the holes with mattresses). It may also be that he is building it for the same reason that people build models of the Titanic. This is just Mr. Palmer's model, on a ridiculous and gaudy 1:1 scale.

    I'm not saying that Mr. Palmer is right, just that this is probably what he thinks.

    6) As far as I am concerned, you are more than welcome to make your point, and I am glad to hear it. I am most concerned about petitions and hearing about permits being denied or permissions refused and legal remedies being sought. If all you wish is to tell Mr. Palmer how strongly you object to his idea, then I support you absolutely. If your motivation is to forcibly change his mind, then I express deep reservations.

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    Look, im going to be totally honest with all of you. I want the ship built. I want to work on it, experence it for what it is. Why? Cause i dont have access to a time machine and go back to 1912 and see the great ship before she sank. Odds are i wont have one anytime soon. So this is the next best thing. If some of you think its in bad taste or what ever, ya know what, fine...im not going to change your minds or even try to. Thats your choice. As for you trying to stop the ship getting built...WHY? what diffrence does it make? honestly isnt there more important bigger things to protest out there, like idk, ANYTHING? I just dont get it. Dont like the idea, fine..be that way its your choice...but to try to stop people from actually enjoying the project...when ITS NOT HURTING ANYONE is beyond redicilious to me! Just, who cares really...honestly? You honestly think titanics dead will haunt you if you go on the replica? or thank you if you stop this somehow "abomination and disgrace to there memory" from being built? I THINK NOT! I dont think they even care. Why would they? There dead. They lived, they died, as we all will and must do. Does it matter? This isnt disgracing there memory its making it live on. But what ever...if and when the ship is built, ill do my best to be there and enjoy it for what its trying to acomplish, and if any of titanics dead has an issue with me doing that, then they can confront me on it in this life or the next! But i doubt they will...

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    >>Cause i dont have access to a time machine and go back to 1912 and see the great ship before she sank.<<

    You won't have that sort of access on this "replica" either.

    Wanna know why?

    Because it's not a replica. At best, it's a floating theme park which bears only a passing resemblance to the vessel of 1912 but which is built and outfitted to 21st Century standards and regulations.

    A genuine replica of an Olympic class liner would be illegal to build.

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    Well it's the closer we can get, considering the regulations and all...

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    >>A genuine replica of an Olympic class liner would be illegal to build. <<

    Michael, I think you mean illegal to sail. The entire T-II project is pure exploitation in my opinion. I for one am glad to have nothing to do with it.

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    >>Michael, I think you mean illegal to sail.<<

    Point taken.

    >>The entire T-II project is pure exploitation in my opinion.<<

    I think it's a cloud cuckoo fantasy on the part of the guy who's financing it, but it's his money. If he can make it work, bully for him. (shrug)

    >>I for one am glad to have nothing to do with it.<<

    (Eyebrows raised? You were approached???

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    Is this the one to which you refer? Seems like an interesting idea:

    Titanic II compared to RMS Titanic - YouTube

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    I love how the whole argument is "ITS CASHING IN". Um...forgive me if im wrong here but dident the movie do the same thing? ISNT EVERY TIME U BUY A BOOK, MODEL, COLLECTABLE, ETC on the ship, cashing in? Doesnt the museums around the world charge a price to go into them? I mean, honestly...does all that money made from the ships name go to a titanic survivors decendents fund or somthing? cause I HIGHLY DOUBT IT! doesnt this very website have a store page? this got me kicked from one titanic group but what ever it needs to be said...anyone saying the new ship is cashing in...clearly doesnt know what there talking about cause EVERYTHING TITANIC is basicly cashing in if money is changing hands...every time u buy a book or somthing..SOMEONE IS SEEING A PROFIT! but yet no one says anything cause its just to be excepted. But the moment someone builds a ship...oh then...honestly fokes, get real with this whole cashing in stuff, cause if you ever bought a book, saw the movie, etc...UR supporting the whole "Cashing in system as well.

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    >>I love how the whole argument is "ITS CASHING IN"<<

    That may be so for some, but I haven't made that argument.

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    Let's face it, the name Titanic sounds like a lot of money, doesn't it?

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    >>Let's face it, the name Titanic sounds like a lot of money, doesn't it? <<

    I think we need to be mindful of the fact...especially when we wrinkle our noses and sniff in (self) righteous disgust about "They just want to make money... that the Titanic herself was ALL about making money. LOT'S of money.

    Making money is quintessentially the reason every ship in the cargo and passenger trade was built. Every time we raise a glass to toast such a vessel, we are lauding and honouring the achievements of a business enterprise.

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    I have a few questions. I don't know if anyone has asked this before but I want to know in detail. I really want to see the Titanic II built because it is a symbol of the original, much different than modern cruise ships and we are honoring Thomas Andrews, Captain Smith, the passengers and everyone who built the original. If you say that it willl not be a lot different than modern cruise ships keep this in mind before answering. The Titanic II will comply with modern safety regulations but besides that what makes her like a modern cruise ship? She looks and is being designed as a modern ocean liner. Deltamarin has told me that they are currently doing design calculations and estimate damage of up to 6 compartments flooding which in turn is safer than the original Titanic and also meets if not surpases what most modern ships can stay afloat with. Second, she is going to look exactly like the original except for the wood inside which is for fire safety.

    Also, has anyone heard whether or not the safety deck will be covered? If you have heard it will be covered or won't be covered please put a source and explain why so that way I can have proof. If you just know I understand because I understand that we have to wait until October for the design phase to be finished, November for the final contract and December about for construction to start. Source: Deltamarin and Blue Star Line

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    Chris, I'd forget about this if I were you. The guy who's trying to get this done has signed no contract and disbursed no funds. nobody can answer your questions because there is literally nothing happening.

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    I'd suggest nothing has been heard of late because Clive Palmer is busy running a political party in the lead up to the national election which will occur within the next few months. I believe his party is called the United Australia Party; it's featured fairly heavily on television advertisements and the like of late.

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    Michael,

    The "guy" you are refering to has a name. His name is Clive Palmer and he is dedicated to making as close as possible replica of the original. I believe and several others believe that he will succeed because of one fact that he is determinded and also because he is using his own money. Also, the reason no contract has been signed is because the design phase has not finished yet and that is suppose to be done by October.

    By the way lots of things are happening that he just is not telling us and that is the only reason so many people are starting to doubt this project that didn't doubt it when it started. Think about it, when was the last time Titanic was designed? The answer is 104 years ago! That is a long time. They want to get the design as best they can but ..... time will tell.

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    >>The "guy" you are refering to has a name. His name is Clive Palmer and he is dedicated to making as close as possible replica of the original.<<

    Chris, I know who this man is. The reason I doubt anything he's saying is because much of what your saying will happen was supposed to have happened already.

    It hasn't. It's all been a lot of talk and no action. I can guarantee you NO design work is being done nor will it be done until the shipyard itself has a contract to do as much.

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    Michael,

    That is good and I knew you did. I know much of what he said was suppose to happen already but we really have to be patient. Like I said earlier, this ship has not been designed in 104 years and they want to make it the best and safest they possibly can. It has been a lot of talk but they are designing the ship. You are wrong Michael and I can guarantee you that the contract is just for actually building the ship. The deal is no contract, no ship. They have to finish the design before they can sign said contract.

    Also, the design WILL be finished by October, contract signed in November - December then construction starts. I believe and know that we just have to be patient. I don't get why so many people think that just because plans where announced that they can just "pop" right out of the sky! It just can't happen like that and won't. If you truly want to see this ship built, the best it can, the safest it can then we need to wait.

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    Michael,

    Forgot to include this in my last comment. Also, just because things get delayed does not mean that they will not happen.

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    Chrisshaw: I'm a retired sailor. Please do not be so presumptuous as to tell me or any other mariner on this forum (There are several of us here) how things work in a shipyard or the shipbuilding industry. So far, Clive Palmer has been a lot of glitzy talk and showmanship with no substantive action of any kind.

    This lack of any substantive action includes a lack of any request for design proposals, bids, or tenders. Zip, zilch, zero, nada, nien, nyet...dogsquat...nuthin' happenin'

    When that happens, we can talk.

    Until it does, there's nothing to discuss.

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    If there is nothing to discuss then why was this created on April 30, 2012? This thread is specifically about the ship and I realize no designs or contract has been signed but really..... this is the closest we have gotten to a replica of Titanic and we have to give it time ...... you can't tell what he is doing just because he has not said anything. I see how you would get the umpsuption from that, that it will not happen but you can not tell me to give up on this project. True, but you told me "If I were you I would forget about it" . I am not giving up and that is my choice.

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    By the way, there are lots of things to discuss. Everyone could be posting right now about what they hope the ship will look like, what they think it should or should not have on it, when they think construction will start ..... there are lots of things to discuss and if people don't that is fine but just giving ideas.

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    >>If there is nothing to discuss then why was this created on April 30, 2012?<<

    You're missing the point. The thread was created because it was expected that something was going to happen.

    Nothing has. Nothing is.

    >> I realize no designs or contract has been signed but really..... this is the closest we have gotten to a replica of Titanic and we have to give it time<<

    No, it is NOT the closest. There have been all kinds of proposals and some actually produced design concepts. One of the best known dates back to 1997 when the movie was at the hight of it's popularity and it appeared in Popular mechanics.

    Nothing ever came of it.

    >>By the way, there are lots of things to discuss.<<

    Only if you enjoy a lot of speculation over nothing.

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    Michael,

    That is your opinion and I respect it. So basically you are saying nothing will happen? Will, what will happen if you are wrong? You will admit it probably and say sorry but that does not cut it. The Titanic II will be built, how do you know if anything is or is not going on? Since they haven't said anything? Michael, that is anything but true. I have personally contacted them and they are working on the design phase and say it will be done by October. Blue Star personally told me this.

    You are saying nothing has come of it and nothing will and why? Only because nothing has happened yet. I see how everyone thinks this but you really need to give him time. He is a billionare and has lots of money. Any money problems you heard of are not true. I have seen them too. They are not true and if they are they were resolved. I get this from BSL themself and Deltamarin. Anyone can put something on the internet.

    Also, when this project does happen I am telling you "i told you so" because it is true.

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    This ship will be built and when it is ...........

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    >>That is your opinion and I respect it.<<

    The snide, mocking and childish tone of your post tells me you don't respect anything of the kind. Whatever your views on this, consider this a warning to lose that attitude and right now. I'm not the only one who won't take very kindly to it.

    >>So basically you are saying nothing will happen?<<

    No.

    It's possible that Clive Palmer could get his act together, pony up the cash and make it happen. So far, all it's been is a lot of grand talk and talk is dirt cheap. (See World Maritime News - Lloyd to get a sense of what I mean. Hiring Lloyds register to review the design work is a step in the "Get Her Done" direction, but only a step)

    If he gets it together and gets it done, I'll wish him the best.

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    Michael,

    I have only been stating my opinion about this to you and explaining why I think this will happen and why I think you are wrong. Is that really so bad? "Lose the attitude" , their are people on these threads that curse and I am not one of those people. I was truly only stating the truth but I guess as I have learned from other pages you can't tell the truth. This might seam like I am being mean but how do you know? The wording yes sounds mean when you read it but when I typed this I was trying to showing my point and explain why I do things. We are talking over the internet by computers, not face to face.

    I was baicallly trying to say that you don't have a clue apparently what is going on with Titanic II and I don't know either. My point is that we have to wait and be patient because BSL isn't going to say something again until construction starts so .... as I said before we have to wait and see.... . Also, I heard about Lloyd joining because I am subscribed to all BSL notifications.

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    >>Is that really so bad? <<

    The gloating manner in which you expressed it is. To wit: "Also, when this project does happen I am telling you "i told you so" because it is true. " This particular manner of expression is the sort of thing one expects from children and nobody is going to put up with it here. At the very least, you'll get the cold shoulder from everybody, even those who might be inclined to agree with you.

    I will remind you that you are in the company of adults, so like I said: Lose the attitude. (Do NOT bother making any further responses to this singular point.)

    Now, regarding the matter in controversy:

    If Clive Palmer gets it together, I'll be the first to cheer him on. Really, I will. I wouldn't wish failure on anybody. HOWEVER, he has a lot of problems of his own to deal with at home including questions as to whether or not some of his mining interests are as productive as claimed and whether or not some of his personal wealth is what it's claimed.

    I noticed in the article that he set a target date of 2016. We'll see if he makes good on that.

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    Ok. We will just have to wait and see.

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    Sincerely, I like the idea of making a new Titanic. What I don't like is making it almost like the original. But it's also true that the closer to the original, the higher the tickets.

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    Soory I have tooken awhile to respond. I have been on vacation in Hawaii and Phoenix, AZ. As you can tell I love the idea of a Titanic II and you are right that the closer to the original the pricier the ticket.

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    Personally I have always though it would be cool to have a replica or a ship based on her design; however, there are some things that any ship built in this century must have, like TVs, phones,private bathrooms(In all Cabins), and the ability to move around most of the ship without restrictions. TVs can easily be hidden behind one way mirrors or cabinets. Now the TV doesn't need to be used for CCTV or anything related to the ship, just to watch Letterman before you go to sleep. Non emergency ship wide announcements should be handled through attendants and pamphlets not TV. I personally watch less than 5 hours of TV per week. It's just nice to have the option. We don't need to call China or anything but having to get up and find the attendant can be tiresome. You can even have the phone look like an antique. On the cheapest cruise you can find with no window you still have your own bathroom. I don't want to have to wait in line every night to take a shower. Lets face it a lot of people today are inconsiderate d-bags. They'll do things like not wipe off the gym equipment or leave their mess in the shower. I don't want to share a bathroom with somebody like that. When going on any modern cruise ship you'll see a muilti-level stair/elevator area called an atrium. Now I'm not expecting this but the thing is everyone onboard has access to it. Without having access to the grand staircase people wont get an idea how truly magnificant the ship is. Also the ship needs to have more elevators for all classes. You cant expect an old lady in 3rd class to take the stairs or a paralised person for that matter. Another thing they should add to the first class rooms are private verandas. The parlor suites on the original had these. The 1st/2nd/3rd class thing should just be for restaurants and spas only. Since they are adding a new safety deck (between C and D decks) they can add more modern public rooms, so the on this ship you may not be as bored as you would be on an exact replica. One other thing I think that the ship would need is wifi, having wifi on the ship would enable passengers the ability to brag about how great the ship is online (that's good for any company) as well as allowing passengers who wish to do so, use the internet. Now all of these things should be displayed as optional things so that period interested cruisers can enjoy the ship as well. In a perfect world an exact replica would be great but most new ships need these things to make profits meaning the more stuff that's onboard the more you can charge. That's all ofcoarse if this really happens.

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    >>But it's also true that the closer to the original, the higher the tickets. <<

    Errrrr....no. The reason for this is because the closer to the original any replica is, the more safety violations the ship will have that will literally make it illegal to sail.

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    I'm not even sure they'd allow a ship that was an exact replica of the original Titanic to even sit in a dock and become a Queen Mary-esque attraction. Ironically it was the Titanic sinking itself which prompted many of these changes that have carried on ever since!

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    >>I'm not even sure they'd allow a ship that was an exact replica of the original Titanic to even sit in a dock and become a Queen Mary-esque attraction.<<

    Adam, the fire inspectors would have a bloody stroke! All that wood!

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    I think there would be considerable problems with the interior arrangement. A huge portion of the ship is Third Class berthing. Who today would settle for four to six people crammed into a tiny room for a week or two at sea? A portion of Third Class would have to be there as a museum, but any actual Third Class berthing would be a waste of deck space. Most of second lass would be too. To give people modern comfort, even first class would have to b redesigned, although you could probably keep half of it in historical condition.

    If you think about the arrangement of the ship, you realize how much deck space you'd have to change to meet modern living standards, and at that point, what do you really have left of the original ship?

    If you really were to make a second Titanic, you'd be better off building it on land as a museum/hotel and save yourself the trouble of the shipping regulations and building working propulsion machinery. That would be the only way to keep historical accuracy.

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    Hi Tim,

    It would be interesting to know whether Titanic's third class arrangements would still pass these days - i'm not convinced they would. But even if they did, I guess it depends on how authentic of a Titanic experience people wanted to have.

    Seems to me the novelty would wear off after a while and a replica would become just another passenger ship, and how is it going to compete with modern day passenger ships when its living 100 years ago?

    Don't get me wrong, i'd love to sail on a replica Titanic, but I just don't think its economically viable in the long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimTurner View Post
    If you really were to make a second Titanic, you'd be better off building it on land as a museum/hotel


    It would be much cheaper to build and operate (maybe half the cost?), and you wouldn't have to worry about passenger accommodations because you could put a motel next door for those who weren't up to historical bunking conditions. The Titanic has no value as a passenger liner, only as a historical site - so if you're going to build a replica, don't bother trying to make it a modern vessel. Otherwise you might as well just go to the Carnival pier and slap the name "Titanic" on the stern of the first ship you see.

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    >>It would be interesting to know whether Titanic's third class arrangements would still pass these days - i'm not convinced they would<<

    Hell, Adam, some of the first class accomadation wouldn't be acceptable. Some of those cabins up on A deck just behind the pilot house would barely be considered acceptable for a condemned prisoner on the Texas Death Row!

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    Tim:

    I agree with you as far as the value of a replica Titanic goes, but I don't think putting it on land would be viable. To start with, where are you going to stick a 900 foot long replica in any tourist area on land? Plus you'd miss the tug boats, ferries, etc. No, surely if it was going to be a replica which didn't sail, it would have to be done in the style of Queen Mary....a permanently docked floating museum/hotel.

    Michael:

    I dunno, i've stayed in some motels and hotels in my time which very quickly would have you do unspeakable things to switch up to a third class Titanic cabin.

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    When it comes to that, waterfront property is pretty expensive, too. I'd put it in Arizona. Maybe across the street from London Bridge. I bet five miles outside of Las Vegas would work.

    No need for tugboats of ferries, it's the Titanic. Unless you want to build a scale recreation of Belfast, New York, and the Atlantic ocean, there's got to be a limit to the simulata. Surround it with a reflecting pool. The building costs and maintenance would be a fraction of building on water. Less safety concerns, less structural material, less need to worry about rust and leaks and bilge paint.

    The talk on recreating the Titanic is usually focused on recreating a functional ship. This leads to problems since you can't sail a 1912 steamship about today. And ultimately, what people are trying to re-create is 1912 itself. (Why on Earth did you bring up ferries and tugs, after all? Why do people bring up clothes and cars and other things... because the Titanic is a representative of an era and it's really the era that they're trying to recreate.) I'm talking about recreating just a floorplan. A building, made of common building materials, but cast in the shape of the Titanic, and furnished and painted to match. Cheaper, easier, safer, and ultimately it isn't any less mobile and will be far more accurate than a floating replica.

    That's my two cents anyway. I suppose you could buy a freehold island, build a shipyard on it, and construct an identical replica there. There'd be no regulations out there.

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    Tim:

    Well exactly, and this is the problem that Clive Palmer and anyone else who has designs of building a functional Titanic II faces - the technology and design that made the Titanic what it was have been outdated for a century. So many of the laws and regulations were changed BECAUSE of the Titanic. So it's simply not possible that an exact replica would get past the first safety tests.

    Even if you upgraded all the safety systems to comply with modern standards, as has already been highlighted, the conditions in other parts of the ship would not be up to scratch either. You couldn't have a Marconi wireless system, for one. And I reckon OH & S would have something to say about the conditions and equipment for the crew working in the engine rooms.

    So what you'd end up with would be a ship which matches the size and dimensions of the original Titanic, but through necessity is completely different in just about every other way. Which is why the floating museum - perhaps somewhere outside a place like Las Vegas as you suggest - would be the best, cheapest and most viable option.

    But as I said earlier, Clive Palmer is hung up on politics at the moment, especially with the federal election only a month away, so who knows what will become of Titanic II....

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    >>I dunno, i've stayed in some motels and hotels in my time which very quickly would have you do unspeakable things to switch up to a third class Titanic cabin. <<

    I've been in a few of those places and not always in overseas ports either! Rats the size of dogs and all that.

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    Yep, ridiculously oversized rats, armies of bugs, strange and alarming smells emanating from somewhere....

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    >>strange and alarming smells emanating from somewhere....<<

    Don't ask too many questions, you might not like the answers!

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    Don't expect any news on Titanic II for the forseeable future. As I mentioned earlier, Clive Palmer had formed a political party and has just contested the federal election which took place yesterday. For a first timer, he was extremely popular - probably because all the other candidates are nothing much to write home about. As it stands, it looks as if he's going to win the seat he was contesting in Queensland (Fairfax). So i'd imagine Clive has bigger fish to fry just at the minute....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael H. Standart View Post
    Errrrr....no. The reason for this is because the closer to the original any replica is, the more safety violations the ship will have that will literally make it illegal to sail.
    That's correct. I didn't realize it at all, I'm too much in love with the ship itself ah ah!
    It's not easy to sail in those old-fashioned conditions even if the Titanic replica, whenever will be built, will have a bunch of closed sailboats like all the other modern liners. I must admit, against my dream of jumping aboard a moving giant powered by 'living' steam engines, that's something we cannot see nowadays. As others have suggested here, I guess the interior will not match the exterior except for the grand staircase, which is domed, the First class lounge and the covered promenade. Maybe the Verandah or the Parisian Café will be in their original place. Just imagine the Titanic fitted with a new marine radar on the foremast, some colorful stuff on both sides and a nice surprise inside. You've got an idea!

    Edit: that's how it is depicted in the preview renderings, if I remember correctly. It's interesting speaking about the arrangement of Titanic II decks as well as about those people who will like to pay for a journey, from an historical point of view, exact only for an half. Or, more likely, the main purpose to build a new Titanic is a political one, as outlined a few replies above. So many love Titanic on Earth.

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    Who's sailing on Titanic II

    Undoubtedly the tickets will cost a lot so most of us will not be sailing on her but who will at lest pay to travel to New York or Southampton just to see her docked in port? I know I will.

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    I've read that this ship will be something like 20 feet wider, have no rake or sheer, and have some other unspecified differences. Why sell it as Titanic II? "Hey all, we're gonna build this ship to copy another but we're gonna barely try to make it even resemble the original while selling it as a copy." It's like selling an apple as an orange.

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    Clive Palmer has very narrowly won a seat in parliament.

    The relevance of this to the Titanic II project is that Palmer will now have to put his entire financial interests on the public record. He'll no longer be able to fool about, as he has with the media. Now we'll see how feasible the scheme is.
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    Clive Palmer's victory in his own contested seat but overall, for a brand new party, the performance of the Palmer United party at the last federal election was surprisingly good - a reflection of the public disenchantment with the major political parties as much as anything else.

    As such, I haven't heard anything of Titanic II for some time, despite Clive Palmer's prominence in the news - I expect it's currently on the backburner.

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    Hello to everyone! From my point of view, this recent election means that the project will be delayed and eventually called off. The making of real size-RMS Titanic-replica seems to me like a white-elephant-project the general public will not be interested in.

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    Hi Augusto,

    Yes, I imagine you're right. Clive has his iron in many fires and i'd imagine that his Titanic idea will simply slip by the wayside in coming years. I hope i'm wrong, and you never know what to expect from Clive, but one can't do everything.

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    Name: Titanic II
    Owner: Blue Star Line
    Builder: CSC Jinling, Nanjing[1]
    Cost: $500 million[1]
    Completed: late 2016 (planned)
    Status: In project development stage[2]
    General characteristics
    Class & type: Replica of Olympic-class ocean liner
    Tonnage: 56,000 GT (estimate)
    Length: 269.15 m (883 ft 0 in)
    Beam: 32.2 m (105 ft 8 in)
    Height: 53.35 m (175 ft 0 in)
    Draught: 7.5 m (24 ft 7 in) (normal); 7.926 m (26 ft 0 in) (max)
    Depth: 19.74 m (64 ft 9 in)
    Decks: 10
    Installed power:
    2 × Wärtsilä 12V46F
    2 × Wärtsilä 8L46F
    48,000 kW (64,000 hp) (combined)
    Propulsion: Diesel-electric; three azimuth thrusters; (3 × 10 MW) [3]
    Speed: 24 knots (44 km/h; 28 mph) (maximum)[4]
    Capacity: 1,680 (double capacity); 2,435 (maximum)
    Crew: 900

    Titanic II is a planned ocean liner, to be built as a replica and successor of the Olympic-class RMS Titanic. The project was announced by Australian billionaire Clive Palmer in April 2012, as the flagship of his cruise company Blue Star Line.[5] The intended launch date is set in 2016, 104 years after the original voyage,[6] and the ship will set sail from Southampton to New York within the same year.[7][8]

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    Helloooo everyone,

    This project has more chance of becoming real than the multimillionaire from South Africa's planned for Titanic II. Was reported once in newspaper and on the national news, we never heard about it since.
    This time, it has gone much further. Its been plastered in newspaper and national news more than once and been plastered all over the internet data base permanently for good.

    Going by the internet / wiki, Titanic II is listed as an actual ship. Whether it does get built or not, the planned has already a name: Titanic II.

    Down fall,
    No one even knows if the keel has even been laid as yet. Two years has past, only two years left. (Note: most likely, its been kept a secret on purpose)?

    Ta ta laters

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    There's even been tickets put up for sale and sold, has it not?

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    False, dammed.

    """"Around 40,000 people have enquired about tickets and half a dozen have offered more than a million dollars to make sure they get on the maiden voyage and this is before we have even started construction""""

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    As an Australian, I still don't like its chances of ever setting sail - sorry to rain on any parades out there. Clive Palmer's mug is firmly plastered across our television screens at the moment as the state election is coming up in a week from now. He's really got into this whole political scene, especially with the relatively good results he and his party obtained at the federal election last year, so I would think that the Titanic II project has been put on the backburner for a while, and quite possibly permanently. Besides, you just never know what he's going to come up with next.

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    Hi Adam,

    Well if clive palmer doest succeed, he will look like a complete moron, will he not? After all his talk and plans. He didn't say maybe, but he will be created a Titanic II.

    We're going too have to wait and see if April 2016 is a hit or miss (sorry that wasn't meant to be a rude, snide,disrespectful remark towards titanic tragedy).

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    Hi Countess,

    Clive Palmer has made himself look like a "complete moron" on numerous occasions, I don't think another instance would be of any great surprise. If you had seen his efforts in Australian politics over the past year or two, you would understand where i'm coming from.

    Honestly, I hope i'm wrong - i'd love to see a Titanic II finally come to fruition - but with Clive at the helm (no pun intended), I wouldn't be holding my breath.

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    Adam, I wouldn't think you'd want to hold your breath on the Titanic II.

    I doubt the Titanic II is anything more than a publicity stunt, or a half-hour's fascination for a rich playboy. I think the odds are decidedly against it ever coming to pass.

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    >>Well if clive palmer doest succeed, he will look like a complete moron, will he not? <<

    From what I've been seeing from a lot of Australians, Clive Palmer is not in the least bit troubled about looking like a moron. Make of that what you will.

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    Tim:

    I think you're exactly right on both counts. I will gladly eat a large slice of humble pie if it ever does become a reality, but honestly, take it from an Australian: there is next to no chance that Titanic II will become a reality, under the leadership of Clive Palmer anyway. Again, sorry to anyone who is disappointed by that out there.

    Michael:

    Exactly my point. I actually wonder if he deliberately makes a fool of himself in order to get the extra publicity, especially with the elections just a couple of days away.

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    >> I actually wonder if he deliberately makes a fool of himself in order to get the extra publicity, especially with the elections just a couple of days away.<<

    A politician need go to no effort to look like an idiot. To such people, it comes naturally!

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    That's true, but surely nobody can be THAT idiotic naturally. ;-)

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    >>That's true, but surely nobody can be THAT idiotic naturally. ;-)<<

    Every time I turn on C-SPAN and watch our own congress, I see irrefutable proof to the contrary!

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    It could be worse, Michael. Surely your congress hasn't degenerated to the point of having a fist fight, or something? Because that is known to happen elsewhere.... ;-)

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    I say to leave the old girl rest in peace- she looks beautiful resting down there and to rebuild her is absolute idiocy.

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    Recent articles from Australia and the cruise industry suggest that the Chinese have either lost interest, or never had interest to begin with. Palmer refuses comment, and Blue Star insists on a Q3 2014 keel laying (though, like so many others in this thread, I will believe it when I see it).

    I find the whole thing to be tacky absurd nonsense, really.

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    I might take some heat for this, but I don't necessarily believe that Titanic II is "spitting in the face" of the legacy of the original ship, of the survivors or those who died with her. Also, I don't think that building a replica ship and setting her afloat is "tempting fate" per se. I'm of the opinion that RMS Titanic sank because of a series of events that fell into place just right. Not saying that Titanic II absolutely won't sink, but I just don't happen to think it's a silly and/or tasteless venture.

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    Given that Clive Palmer just recently took a massive swipe at the Chinese on live national TV, it'd be little wonder if their interest had diminished somewhat. He's having enough trouble keeping his own senators under control, without worrying about Titanic II as well.

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    Apparently, also according to a video I watched on youtube of the planned things, many areas are switched around than the original Titanic. One of these is the first class dining saloon, which is (if a "replica") should be on D-Deck, but now it takes the place of the A La Carte Restaurant next to the Café Parisien on B-Deck. Also , I believe Mr. Palmer will not get the grand staircase right anyway in my opinion. I believe he is going to make all the staircase levels with the staircase fanned out (which happens on every deck except for E and F decks), and anyway he will need to modern it out anyway with the steerage cabins, because just a wash basin and 4 beds, seriously?

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    Hi Charles.

    I haven't heard about this but whether it's true or not, it just goes to show that it would be nigh on impossible to make a "replica" of the Titanic anywhere close to the original thing, which would also be considered seaworthy enough to travel on given the regulations of today.

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    Exactly! But I'm not sure if impossible is the right word, because my thing is that he should overlook the top deck plans again , for the inside , but not outside.

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    Hello Adam,

    If I had the money Clive Plamer did, I would recreate a much smaller vessel in the style of an ocean liner. It would not be as big as the Titanic and the exterior would not be the same. What would be the same is the first-class interiors I would have in the ship. There would be no third or second-class and obviously some first-class public spaces would have to be eliminated, but that would seem more pleasurable to me. Reply to me back if you have more questions.

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    Hi JM,

    I think that idea would be much better. It's far more realistic to be able to create a smaller vessel with the same interiors, decorations, menus, etc as would have been on the Titanic, as opposed to creating a vessel which would be the same in every aspect, in which case it would never be allowed to leave the dock anyway. Hopefully somebody comes up with the money to complete such a project one day, but I doubt it will be Clive - he's been fairly quiet of late actually!

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