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Captain Lord of the Californian
Capt. Stanley Lord

Confusion certainly abounds in the events surrounding the apparent inaction of 34 year old Capt. Stanley Lord of the Californian the night the Titanic went down. At 12:08 AM, 15 April 1912, Californian’s 24 year old Second Officer, Herbert Stone, came on the bridge to relieve Third Officer Charles Victor Groves. A few minutes later, 20 year old Apprentice James Gibson comes up to join him. Together, they were to stand the middle watch until 4 AM. Directly off their starboard beam were the lights of a steamer that had apparently stopped for night about ½ hour before. Both Capt. Lord and 3rd Officer Groves had seen the lights of this steamer come up from the east and then stop for the night. It was no surprise that she should do so, for at 10:21 PM Californian time, Capt. Lord had to order full speed astern to bring his ship to a stop just on the edge of an extensive ice field, a field of ice that ran from north to south as far as the eye could see.

For almost the next two hours, Stone and Gibson would watch this visitor until it disappeared about 2 AM. At that time, 2nd Officer Stone sent James Gibson down to report to Capt. Lord. From his written statement to Capt. Lord on 18 April 1912, while at sea before reaching Boston, Stone writes:

At 2:00 a.m. the vessel was steaming away fast and only just her stern light was visible and bearing S.W . ½ W. I sent Gibson down to you and told him to wake you and tell you we had seen altogether eight white rockets and that the steamer had gone out of sight to the S.W.

Herbert Stone
2/O Herbert Stone

This is consistent with the statement that Gibson wrote in his report to Lord also dated 18 April 1912:

Just after two o'clock she was then about two points on the Port bow, she disappeared from sight and nothing was seen of her again. The Second Officer then said, “Call the Captain and tell him that the ship
has disappeared in the S.W., that we are heading W.S.W. and that altogether she has fired eight rockets."

James Gibson
James Gibson

In Gibson's testimony before the British Inquiry he nails down the time he reported to Capt. Lord as "Five minutes past two by the wheelhouse clock.” Notice that in both written accounts, the observed steamer had gone out of sight by that time.[1] It was not just disappearing as Stone would later claim.[2]

Now Gibson's observations are interesting. When he first came on the bridge of the Californian at 12:15 he said the steamer that Stone pointed out to him was directly on their starboard beam. We also know from both Stone and 3rd Officer Groves that the Californian was pointing ENE magnetic at that time and was swinging to the southward. The bearing to the other ship was "SSE dead abeam" as reported by Stone. According to what Stone wrote in his statement, Lord whistled up the speaking tube at about 12:35 asking if this ship, which had apparently stopped for the night almost an hour before, had moved. Stone told Lord that the ship was still on the same bearing and had not moved at all. Also that he tried to call up the steamer by Morse lamp, just like 3rd Officer Groves did before him, and the steamer did not reply. During this time Gibson was off the bridge looking for some gear for a new log line. It is clear to me that Capt. Lord was satisfied that this steamer was indeed stopped for the night for the same reason that the Californian stopped for the night, and more importantly, that there was no indication whatsoever that this observed stranger was in any trouble.

Now just a few minutes after Capt. Lord called up on the speaking tube Stone sees a flash of light in the sky over the steamer. This 1st flash was taken by Stone to be a shooting star. But then he sees another flash soon afterward which he recognizes as a white rocket that appeared to him to be coming from some distance beyond the steamer's lights. Now in his testimony before the British Inquiry, and in his written statement to Lord, Stone says he saw 5 of these rockets and whistled down to Capt. Lord and reported seeing these lights in the sky in the direction of the other steamer, and they appeared to be white rockets. However, in Gibson's written statement to Capt. Lord, Gibson says:

The Second Officer [Stone] told me that the other ship, which was then about 3 ½ points on the Starboard bow, had fired five rockets and he also remarked that after seeing the second one, to make sure that he was not mistaken, he had told the Captain, through the speaking tube, and that the Captain had told him to watch her and keep calling her up on the Morse light.

Now Capt. Lord had testified that he was told about one rocket being seen. If Gibson's account is accurate, namely that Stone called Lord after the 2nd rocket was seen, then it is entirely possible that what Stone told Capt. Lord is that he had seen "lights in the sky in the direction of the other steamer” and one of them appeared to be a white rocket. If this is the way it really happened, then we have Capt. Lord being told by Stone that he saw what looked like a white rocket coming from the direction of that steamer that had stopped for the night over an hour before. The first of those two lights Stone was not even sure about. Lord's reaction to Stone’s report was to ask if they were private signals, which Stone did not know. He also asked Stone to continue to call up the steamer by Morse lamp and to send Gibson down if he got a reply. If this is the way it happened, then the thought of anything seriously wrong with that steamer probably never even crossed his mind.

And why should it? A steamer appears to stop for the night for the same reason they did. For about an hour there is nothing at all to suggest that anything is wrong. The only strange thing is that this steamer, which everyone estimated to be about 5 miles off by the look of her lights, did not respond to their attempts to make contact by Morse lamp. All of a sudden, over an hour later, what looks like a rocket is seen. Was it a rocket or wasn't it? Was it a company signal or a distress signal? Why would a ship in distress first send off a distress signal over an hour after it had stopped for the night? After all, ice doesn’t run into stopped ships, moving ships run into ice.

Now with hindsight we can say that Lord should have assumed the worst immediately and taken a more active role, including going topside to see for himself what was really going on, or ordering Cyril Evans, the Marconi operator, be woken up to try and contact the steamer by wireless. But if Gibson’s account was accurate, and if Lord was told about lights in the sky of which only one looked like a white rocket, then it is easy to understand why Lord reacted the way he did. There was no apparent need to get alarmed because what was reported to him by Stone at that time was not alarming. If, however, he was told by Stone that 5 rockets were fired at intervals of 4 to 5 minutes apart, then that would be a very different story, indeed.

The next time we find that Capt. Lord was contacted was at 2:05 AM when Gibson came down and woke him up from an apparent deep sleep to report that the other ship had disappeared to the SW. That is well over an hour after the time he was first informed about seeing what looked like a white rocket from Stone. Although Gibson also told Lord at that time that the ship had fired a total of 8 white rockets, he also reported (from what Stone told him) that the ship had steamed away to the SW before it disappeared. So how could it, or why would it, steam away if it were a ship in distress? This would make no sense to Capt. Lord, nor would it to any one else. So it is very understandable why Capt. Lord would ask about there being any color in the signals. If it wasn’t distress signals, could it have been company signals? When 2nd Officer Stone called down about 40 minutes later he again reported to Lord that he “had seen no more lights and that the steamer had steamed away to the S.W. and was now out of sight, also that the rockets were all white and had no colours whatever.”

What is so strange about all of this is the observations of 2nd Officer Stone. It was Stone who was reporting compass bearings while Gibson was only reporting relative bearings. It was Stone who said the ship they were watching was steaming off from SSE toward the southwest, and disappeared bearing SWx1/2W, a compass change of 6 ½ points. We also know, and I believe that today there are few who would say otherwise, that the rockets that were seen by Stone and Gibson on the Californian had come from the Titanic. Stone told the British Inquiry that he “could not understand why if the rockets came from a steamer beyond this one, when the steamer altered her bearing the rockets should also alter their bearings.” He admitted that the Californian was swinging around throughout the night, something that Gibson and 3rd Officer Groves had also noted, and Capt. Lord acknowledged. I believe that when Stone said “I observed the steamer to be steaming away to the S.W. and altering her bearing fast,” what he saw was the relative bearing change as Californian’s head was swinging back the other way. At the time he assumed that his ship was still pointing to the WSW when it may have been swinging back toward the South. This may also explain some of Gibson’s confusion regarding the direction that his ship was swinging when he was asked about that at the British Inquiry:

7770. When the officer told you she was going away to the S. W. were you still seeing her red light? - No, it had disappeared then.

7771. Did you ever see her green? - No.

7772. To show you her red light she must have been heading to the northward of N. N. W., on your story? - Yes.

7773. And your head was falling away; which way? - To northward.

7774. To northward and westward? - Northward and eastward.

That night there was mostly a flat calm. But whatever wind there was, it was very light and variable. The helm of the Californian had been left hard aport after she stopped. Overall, the Californian was swinging around to starboard most of the night. But if she swung the other way for a short time, things could appear to change in an unexpected way very fast. And if Stone did not bother to check the compass all the time but took the relative bearing to the observed ship and adjusted it to the compass heading he looked at before, it is entirely possible to get the wrong result and form an erroneous conclusion. Charles Groves had characterized Stone as “a stolid, unimaginative type who possessed little self confidence.” That may or may not be true. But, apparently, he must not have been a very careful observer.

After Gibson returned to the bridge about 5 minutes to 1 AM, and Stone told him about seeing 5 rockets and speaking to Capt. Lord about it, Gibson decided to look for himself. In his written statement to Capt. Lord Gibson describes what happened next:

I then watched her for some time and then went over to the keyboard and called her up continuously for about three minutes. I then got the binoculars and had just got them focused on the vessel when I observed a white flash apparently on her deck, followed by a faint streak towards the sky which then burst into white stars. Nothing then happened until the other ship was about two points on the Starboard bow when she fired another rocket. Shortly after that, I observed that her sidelight had disappeared, but her masthead light was just visible, and the Second Officer remarked after taking another bearing of her, that she was slowly steering away towards the S.W. Between one point on the Starboard bow and one point on the Port bow I called her up on the Morse lamp but received no answer. When about one point on the Port bow she fired another rocket which like the others burst into white stars. Just after two o'clock she was then about two points on the Port bow, she disappeared from sight and nothing was seen of her again.

There was no doubt on Gibson’s part that the rockets were coming from this strange visitor. And there was more. According to Gibson’s account before the British Inquiry, between 1 AM and 2:05 AM during the middle watch:

The Second Officer remarked to me, “Look at her now; she looks very queer out of the water; her lights look queer.” I looked at her through the glasses after that, and her lights did not seem to be natural. When a vessel rolls at sea her lights do not look the same. She seemed as if she had a heavy list to starboard. Her lights did not seem to look like as they did do before when I first saw them. He [the Second Officer] remarked to me that a ship was not going to fire rockets at sea for nothing.

Figure 1 :  Lights of a steamer seen through glasses
The lights of the stopped steamer and an exploding rocket signal as seen through glasses
Superimposed on the left is a picture of what a full moon would look like for reference.

Yet Stone, the officer of the watch, took no further action. Why? According to Stone’s testimony,

“It did not occur to me because if there had been any grounds for supposing the ship would have been in distress the Captain would have expressed it to me.” But one must ask how could one expect Capt. Lord to express such a concern if he, Stone, had not provided him with any solid grounds for such concern? Lord wasn’t on deck watching the other vessel. Stone was. Lord did not see nor was he apparently informed yet that the observed vessel was firing multiple rockets off at short intervals. Stone did. Lord did not see nor was he informed that the other vessel’s lights started to look “queer.” Stone did. According to Gibson, both he and 2nd Officer Stone had been talking about that observed ship for some time, and they express concern to each other “that everything was not all right with her.” Yet Stone thought nothing of sending Gibson down at that time to wake Lord and get him to come up on deck, or to wake the wireless operator to see if he could find out anything. But why?

According to Gibson’s account, “About twenty minutes past one the Second Officer remarked to me that she was slowly steaming away towards the south-west.” What Stone and Gibson first saw was the disappearance of the steamer’s port sidelight before Stone made that remark to Gibson. Stone was to claim that the steamer turned away, but Gibson said he never saw the steamer turn away. Stone was to claim that he could see the steamer’s stern light, but Gibson said he never saw a stern light, only the glow of the vessel’s masthead light after its red sidelight disappeared. To Stone it appeared that the steamer was changing her compass bearings as it was steaming away to SW. To Gibson the steamer was firing rockets while its relative bearings were changing from “3 ½ points on the Starboard bow” to “about one point on the Port bow.” Stone was the seasoned officer with 8 years experience at sea; Gibson the young apprentice with only 3 years at sea.

What Stone and Gibson were looking at in that crisp, clear, and relatively calm air that pervaded that dark, moonless night were the lights of another ship, not a tramp steamer 5 miles off as they thought, but a much larger passenger ship more like 10 to 12 miles away, hull down over the invisible horizon.[3] What looked like a ship that shut out her red sidelight to Stone and Gibson was a sidelight that went below the horizon as the ship sank deeper by the head as it lay motionless on the flat Atlantic, mortally wounded after striking an iceberg just hours before. What they saw as a change in the appearance of her lights was caused by the increased down angle as water continued to flood her compromised forward compartments. What they saw rising into the air for all to see were regulation distress socket signals in a desperate cry for help from whoever was in sight. Yet, there was confusion and inaction because the Californian’s head was swinging that night. There seems to have been an apparent failure to get accurate compass bearings on the lights of the vessel or the rockets that it sent aloft. There seems to have been no notice taken of the relative position of the observed lights against the background of stars. As 2nd Officer Stone had said, “I knew that rockets shown at short intervals, one at a time, meant distress signals, yes…[but] a steamer that is in distress does not steam away from you.” And so they watched and waited until the vessel disappeared. They were only human.

Now what happened after daybreak and how Capt. Lord handled things upon hearing that the Titanic went down is another story altogether. Upon hearing that the Titanic had struck an iceberg, Capt. Lord set off at 6 AM for the reported location to search for survivors. In fact he steamed across the pack ice toward the reported SOS position only to find the Mount Temple and some other small ship there. There was no sign of any wreckage. After stopping about 7:30 for some short time, he steamed a little further southward and bravely cut across the pack ice once again, this time heading ENE true, to where the Carpathia was stopped, pulling along side of her about 8:30 AM.[4] Despite all this, at some point Capt. Lord must have realized that what his 2nd Officer and Gibson may have seen that night could have been the distress signals sent up from the Titanic. The mistake he made was to try to cover up the events that took place during the middle watch. There was nothing written about the events of that night in the logbook of the Californian, and there is some question about the latitude value that was entered for their 10:21 PM stopped position for the 14th of April. However, once the story came out that rockets were seen during the middle watch, he found himself having to defend not only his actions and inactions, but those under his command as well. At that point the world found someone who was alive that they could point to for the great loss of life that resulted from someone else’s failure. They unjustly blamed Capt. Lord for being asleep while the Titanic was calling for aid from whoever was able to see her signals and hear her wireless. They unjustly blamed him for not coming to the aid of a vessel in distress. They could not understand why he failed to act when rockets were seen, or why his officers watched and did nothing. Lord lost his job for failure to act. Yet, if I am right, his reaction when Stone first informed him about seeing that white rocket was not inappropriate to the limited information he was given. And when he did receive more information later that night, it was both confusing and too late.

Yet nobody blamed Capt. Smith for not being on the bridge all the time that the Titanic raced at her highest speed ever toward a region of known ice, or for not insisting that additional lookouts be posted on the forecastle and out on the bridge wings. In fact, it was just the opposite. In the world of popular opinion and never ending comparisons, Capt. E. J. Smith of the Titanic comes out of this almost looking like a hero. He had gone down with his ship. He was depicted as trying to save the women and children on board. Yet the reality is that nothing seemed to have been done proactively to insure that all of the women and children of 3rd class, all of whom could have and should have been saved, ever made it to the boat deck and into in the few lifeboats that were available. But Capt. Smith was dead and Capt. Lord was alive. The world found a lamb to sacrifice for the sins of others.

I hope that this paper may allow you to see things a little differently. I hope you can understand that what may seem obvious to us today with hindsight may not have been so obvious to Capt. Lord, or anyone else for that matter, on that night to remember.


Notes

[1] 2:05 AM Californian time would have corresponded to 2:16 AM Titanic time base on the each ship’s local apparent noon longitude of April 14th 1912. About that time the lights on the Titanic had gone out. It is only the disappearance of her lights that would be seen from another ship some distance off.

[2] Stone would later claim at the British Inquiry that the ship did not disappear until 2:20 AM, and that he called down to Lord on the speaking tube at 2:40 AM to tell him that nothing was seen of her again.

[3] Even Capt. Lord had remarked, “We could not distinguish where the sky ended and where the water commenced.”

[4] Capt. Rostron of the Carpathia said: “The first time that I saw the Californian was at about eight o’clock on the morning of 15th April. She was then about five to six miles distant, bearing W.S.W. true, and steaming towards the Carpathia.“

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  1. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    I want to first of all salute the spirit of this article, which rightly establishes that Captain Lord did not have anything like the required level of knowledge to make any decision - or even to consider that a decision was needed - during the time Titanic was sinking. There it is - Captain Lord did not "knowingly ignore a vessel in distress." That has always been utter balderdash. However this article is marred in many ways, usually by assumptions. These assumptions are contradicted by the evidence. People should know all the evidence before they make up their minds. Accordingly: Inaccurate statements by Samuel Halpern in the ET Research Article “A Captain Accused.” [quote]Line 2: “At 12:08 AM, 15 April 1912, Californian’s 24 year old Second Officer, Herbert Stone, came on the bridge to relieve Third Officer Charles Victor Groves.”[/quote] It is only Stone’s written affidavit that contains this mention. The two references in evidence are as follows: Groves: 8250. How long did you stay on the bridge? – I stayed on the bridge till something between 12.10 and 12.15. 8251. And were you then relieved by Mr. Stone? – I was. 8252. The Commissioner: 12.15? – I could not be sure of the exact time Lord 6763. Did you give any directions to your second officer with reference to this ship? – After the second officer relieved the deck. 6764. At what time did he relieve the deck? – Ten minutes past 12. ... 6767. Then at 12 o’clock the
  2. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    IT is totally unacceptable for "Research Articles" to contain misstatements of fact. When are these going to be corrected? What confidence can we have in the claims of someone who cannot or does not transcribe the evidence correctly - a simple task? We can have NONE.
  3. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    Samuel quotes Gibson: [quote]The Second Officer remarked to me, “Look at her now; she looks very queer out of the water; her lights look queer.”[/quote] But he does not quote Stone, who was asked about this. Nor was this claim in Gibson’s original statement, and nor was it ever said to Captain Lord. Stone said: 7995. The Commissioner: You are being asked about what you thought yourself. Do you mean to tell us that neither you nor Gibson expressed an opinion that there was something wrong with that ship? Stone – No, not wrong with the ship, but merely with this changing of her lights. 7996. Well, about this changing of her lights? – That is when I remarked that the lights looked queer. The lights, I said, not the ship. This is all in the evidence, which Samuel ignores. Omits. Stone clarifies elsewhere what his thoughts were: 7945. What was there funny about it? Stone – Merely that some lights were being shut in and others exposed and I remarked to Gibson that the lights looked peculiar, unnatural, but when I took the glasses and brought her under close observation I took it to be due to the fact that very likely she was porting for some iceberg close at hand and was coming back on her course again, showing her other lights, the original lights. Again, in Stone’s view the “unnatural” or “peculiar” changes of lights are consistent with the steamer steaming away. He says repeatedly — and yet Sam Halpern
  4. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    Samuel says he "believes" the Titanic was within 11 or 12 miles of Californian. And I believe there are people who live in Jello houses and drive peanut-butter cars. Saying something does not make it true. He can say there were weapons of mass destruction on the Californian. We know what those sort of claims are worth, especially when they can't be bothered with the evidence. Samuel does not explain how ships on separate New York and Boston tracks were so close to each other. Tell us how, Sam, and I'll disprove it. THe facts are that you are ignoring and denying the testimony of all Titanic witnesses as to their mystery ship. Even when Lord Mersey did the same, claiming 8-10 miles separate, the surviving Titanic officers clung to tne NEARNESS they knew they had seen when testifying in Ryuan v. OSNC in 1913. Samuel's unexplained claims contradicts both Officer Boxhall, the prime witness, and Captain Smith. It also contradicts the other officers: Estimates by Titanic officers: Second Officer Charles Herbert Lightoller: 14140- Certainly not over 5 miles away. Third Officer Herbert Pitman 15062.- I thought it was about five miles. (in Ryan v OSNC, 1913, offered 2 miles) Fifth Officer Harold Lowe: 15825 …I glanced over in that direction casually and I saw a steamer there. 15826. What did you see of her? –I saw her two masthead and her red side lights. (implying closeness because sidelights had to be
  5. Samuel Halpern Samuel Halpern
    "I reject lazy latecomer rubbish." Coming from you Senan, I must take that as a complement. Your diatribe places so much on the evidence of 2/O Stone's observations concerning when he noticed the observed ship steaming off, and his dismal attempt to explain away his remark to Gibson about the lights looking queer. But if you, like so many of us, want to selectively quote, then let's include the following: 7922. Well, anything else? - But that I could not understand why if the rockets came from a steamer beyond this one, when the steamer altered her bearing the rockets should also alter their bearings. 7923. That pointed to this, that the rockets did come from this steamer? - It does, although I saw no actual evidence of their being fired from the deck of the steamer except in one case. 7924. (Mr. Butler Aspinall.) Which is the one case? - One rocket that I saw that appeared to be much brighter than the others. 7925. Was that one of the five or one of the three? - One of the three. 7926. That, you felt confident, came from the vessel that was showing you these navigation lights? - I am sure of it. 7927. That you were sure of? - Yes. 7928. And you had further confirmation in the fact as you have told my Lord, that when the navigation lights altered their bearing, the rockets altered their bearings in a corresponding manner? - Yes. 7929. That would tell you as a sailor that it was almost certain that those rockets were being fired from that steamer which was showing
  6. Bill Wormstedt Bill Wormstedt
    Molony said: "IT is totally unacceptable for "Research Articles" to contain misstatements of fact." Did you ever correct the gross mistatement you made at the top of your article on "The Middle Watch", hmmm? No, I haven't bothered to check - too many other things to do.
  7. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    Hi Bill! >>Did you ever correct the gross mistatement [sic] you made at the top of your article on "The Middle Watch", hmmm?
  8. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    [quote]What they saw rising into the air for all to see were regulation distress socket signals in a desperate cry for help from whoever was in sight.[/quote] They should not have seen them rising, though, did they? Lightoller testified that the detonation rockets did notleave a trail. 14150. You have rockets on board, have you not? Were they fired? Lightoller – You quite understand they are termed rockets, but they are actually distress signals; they do not leave a trail of fire. 14151. Distress signals ?–Yes. I just mention that, not to confuse them with the old rockets, which leave a trail of fire. He goes on at 14153: – A shell bursts at a great height in the air, throwing out a great number of stars. We know that Gibson, just turned age 20 at the time of the Inquiry, was browbeaten at length (The Attorney General, Solicitor General, Counsel for the Board of Trade and Lord Mersey all being on the one side!) but Gibson’s earliest reference is to a streak[“trail of fire”?] — something Lightoller says did not happen. Gibson wrote in his on-board account for his Captain, prepared for his Captain, that the first rocket he saw came about while he was watching their nearby tramp: “I then got the binoculars and had just got them focussed on the vessel when I observed a white flash apparently on her deck, followed by a faint streak towards the sky which then burst into stars.”
  9. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    [quote]2:05 AM Californian time would have corresponded to 2:16 AM Titanic time base on the each ship’s local apparent noon longitude of April 14th 1912.[/quote] Samuel cannot establish this assertion. He offers no workings. The relationship between Titanic and Californian time is notoriously difficult to establish. We do not know whether the Californian put her clocks back at midnight, and if so, by how much. That fact on its own precludes Samuel from making such confident assertions. I have consulted mathematicians on this point in three countries and half a file on the question an inch and a half thick. Certain people will always rush in where angels fear to tread. .
  10. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    [quote] Capt. Lord set off at 6 AM for the reported location to search for survivors. In fact he steamed across the pack ice toward the reported SOS position only to find the Mount Temple and some other small ship there. [/quote] Incorrect statement. He steamed across and down in an inverse L-shape dogleg. Samuel’s incorrect statement would lead an unguarded reader to suppose that Titanic and Californian had been/were in the same latitude. That is cunning, but dishonest. Amazing how many corrections you need for such a carefully small amount of writing, Sam. I have another dozen to go… but right now I have better things to do, namely a holiday. See you guys later.
  11. Senan Molony Senan Molony
    Hey, Bill, my man, I am {so glad you chose to climb through that 3pc pre-qualifing window for the Californian to even be a candidate for the mystery ship. (See my post on Ships That Might Have Stood Still, folks). Let's just exhaust this, shall we? One point of the compass alone - Titanic necessarily heading north - excluding all others, represents a 3.125% chance exactly. (1 compass point out of 32). The other 96.875% obviously favours the Californian. Now let's do some factorial mathematics. What are the chances of the GREEN light on the Californian actually being RED, as the Titanic witnesses saw on the mystery ship. Don't give me that swing, Bill. Won't work. All the Cal evidence is that she was swinging slowly or very slowly. Officer Boxhall saw red "most of the time" and from the earliest the approaching ship stopped. Officer Lowe states in evidence that he saw red shortly after 1am. So what are the chances of the wrong light being some sort of mistake? One in ten? This reduces your percentage chance of being right, Bill, to 0.3pc. On the other side, 99.7pc. Next problem: The Titanic saw their ship approach, whereas the Californian, by all agreement, was stationary all night. What are the chances of Officer Boxhall, armed with binoculars, height and time, tasked to assessing the mystery ship by Captain Smith, being wrong about her approaching? One in ten?
  12. Samuel Halpern Samuel Halpern
    Senan, are you saying that I said Gibson saw "a trail of fire?" I said they saw socket signals rising into the air which is exactly what Gibson describes. As you quoted, “I then got the binoculars and had just got them focussed on the vessel when I observed a white flash apparently on her deck, followed by a faint streak towards the sky which then burst into stars.” Guess what? Gibson said he saw a flash apparently from the deck. The socket signal shell is launched from a detonator fired from the socket. He saw a "faint streak" go up towards the sky. Guess what? The fuse of the shell is burning as the shell rises up, something we all can see even in today's mortar launched aerial fireworks, especially if you are following this with binoculars. He was not describing a trail of fire, nor did I ever claim he was. And guess what happens when the fuse finally detonates the explosive charge within the shell? The shell explodes into a stream of white stars. And by the way, the Titanic had these regulation socket signals made by The Cotton Powder Co. Ltd which typically reached a height of 600 to 800 feet. So if the flash came from the Titanic, then seeing the flash of the detonator on the deck means that the two ships, the Titanic and the Californian, had to be less than 16 miles apart, not 19 or 22 miles as you like to claim. Why? Because if you take height of eye on Californian as 40 ft, and height of flash on Titanic's boat deck at 60 ft, you get a
  13. Paul Rogers Paul Rogers
    Gentlemen, I couldn't resist - this takes me back to my days of playing Dungeons and Dragons! Anyway, before anyone decides to play the above card... I'm hoping that this post will act as a pre-emptive strike. May I please request that all Members remember to attack the arguments and not the individuals. Personal invective is not allowed and will not be tolerated. So far, this debate has been conducted relatively politely when compared to previous Californian threads. Let's all please keep it that way. Thanks to you all, in anticipation.
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  14. Bob Godfrey Bob Godfrey
    Humour, of course, is always best when grounded in truth. For instance: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. No it isn't. Yes it is! It's not just contradiction. Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position. Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.' Yes it is! No it isn't! Yes it is! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes. (short pause) No it isn't. .
  15. David Billnitzer David Billnitzer
    Sam: Many thanks for your article. It is the first I have read that truly helped me see the situation from snoozing Capt. Lord's point of view, in that the message from Stone probably wasn't delivered with the proper sense of urgency. (And that's after studying Leslie Harrison, Peter Padfield, anything in the THS Commutator, and a host of others.) None of those writers brought Capt. Lord's possible state of mind into focus for me as clearly and succinctly as your article did. I am not ready to go so far as saying that it lets Capt. Lord completely off the hook for me. He *did* ask if there were colors in the rockets, and was told they were all white. I have to compare that to Stewart's initial reaction: 8590. (The Solicitor General.) Let me follow. Did it not enter your head when you heard this, that those might be distress signals? -Yes. 8591. It did? -Yes. 8592. What made you think they might be distress signals? -Because they were rockets. 8593. They were, from the description, just what you would expect if they were distress signals? - They were white rockets. To Stewart white rockets meant distress. There is also that finger pointing back and forth between Lord and Stone, as to who first introduced the concept of "company signals." Lord at first (and twice) told the BR inquiry that he asked Stone if they might be company's signals, but later changed tactics and said Stone had asked *him* if they might be company's signals. (Stone under oath said he did not
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