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The Cave List

When the body of Saloon Steward Herbert Cave was recovered, among his effects was found this partial listing of first class passengers. It is the only documentary evidence of cabin allocations on the Titanic. The list was probably produced some days prior to sailing as it includes several passengers that cancelled passage on the Titanic. Errors and typographical features of the original have been left intact in this transcription. For more analysis see the article A Thorough Analysis of the Cave List.

This transcription presented courtesy of the Public Archives of Nova Scotia.

THIRD PROOF.

FIRST CLASS PASSENGER LIST

PER

ROYAL AND U. S. MAIL

"S. S. Titanic,"

FROM SOUTHAMPTON AND CHERBOURG
TO NEW YORK

(Via QUEENSTOWN).

Wednesday, 10th April, 1912.

Captain, E. J. Smith, R. D. (Commr. R. N. R.).

Surgeon, W. F. N. O\'Loughlin.
Pursers.
H. W. McElroy.
Asst. Surgeon, J. E. Simpson. R. L. Barker.

Chief Steward, A. Latimer.

A

B

B5 Allen, Miss Elizabeth A23 Barkworth, Mr. A. H.
Walton B58
Baxter, Mrs. James
Allison, Mr. H. J.
B60 Baxter, Mr. Quigg
Allison, Mrs. H. J. C6 Beattie, Mr. T.
C22 and Maid D35
Beckwith, Mr. R. L.
C26 Allison, Miss Beckwith, Mrs. R. L.
Allison, Master C148 Behr, Mr. K. H.
and Nurse B49
Bishop, Mr. D. H.
E12 Anderson, Mr. Harry Bishop, Mrs. D. H.
D7 Andrews, Miss T Blackwell, Mr. Stephen
Cornelia I. Weart
Andrews, Mr. Thomas A31 Blank, Mr. Henry
C101/2 Appleton, Mrs. E. D. C7 Bonnell, Miss Caroline
B35
Aubert, Mrs. N. C103/1 Bonnell, Miss Lily
and Maid D22/1 Borebank, Mr. J. J.

E33 Bowerman, Miss Elsie E58 Colley, Mr. E. P.
A21/1 Brady, Mr. John B. E45
Compton, Mrs. A. T.
B10 Brandeis, Mr. E. E49 Compton, Miss S. R.
C101/1 Brown, Mrs. J. M. E52 Compton, Mr. A. T., Jr.
D15
Buckell, Mrs. W. C101/3 Cornell, Mrs. R. C.
and Maid C132/1 Craig, Mr. Norman C.
B38 Butt, Major Archibald K.C., M.P.
W. B22
Crosby, Mr. Edward G.
Cosby, Mrs. Edward G.

C

E24/3 Calderhead, Mr. E. P.

D

B51
Cardeza, Mrs. J. W. M. E17 Daly, Mr. P. D.
B53 and maid B71
Davidson, Mr. Thornton
B55 Cardeza, Mr. T. D. M. Davidson, Mrs. Thornton
101 and Manservant C90 de Villiers, Mrs. B.
Carter, Mr. William E. B20
Dick, Mr. A. A.
B96 Carter, Mrs. William E. Dick, Mrs. A. A.
B98 Carter, Miss Lucile A34
Dodge, Mr. Washington
Carter, Master William Dodge, Mrs. Washington
T. Dodge, Master Washing-
Case, Mr. Howard B. ton
C46
Cavendish, Mr. T. W. B60 Douglas, Mrs. F. C.
Cavendish, Mrs. T. W. C86
Douglas, Mr. W. D.
and Maid Douglas, Mrs. W. D.
E31
Chaffee, Mr. Herbert F. and Maid
Chaffee, Mrs. Herbert F. A18 Dulles, Mr. William C.
C37 Cherry, Miss Gladys
A9 Chevré, Mr. Paul
E 33 Chibnall, Mrs. E. M.
Bowerman
Chisholm, Mr. Robert
Christy, Mrs. Alice
Frances

E

Christy, Miss Juli C53 Earnshew, Mrs. Boulton
C89
Clark, Mr. Walter M. D31 Eastman, Miss Anne K.
Clark, Mrs. Walter M. C45 Endres, Miss Caroline
C110 Clifford, Mr. George D20 Eustis, Miss E. M.
Quincy A29 Evans, Miss E.

F

D33
Harper, Mr. Henry
E25/3 Flynn, Mr. J. I. Sleeper
C111 Foreman, M. B. L. and Manservant
Fortune, Mr. Mark Harper, Mrs. Henry
Fortune, Mrs. Mark Sleeper
C23 Fortune, Miss Ethel C83
Harris, Mr. Henry B.
C25 Fortune, Miss Alice Harris, Mrs. Henry B.
C27 Fortune, Miss Mabel D45 Hawksford, Mr. W. J.
Fortune, Mr. Charles B69
Hays, Mr. Charles M.
D34/3 Franklin, Mr. T. P. B73 Hays, Mrs. Charles M.
D40 Frauenthal, Mr. T. G. B24 and Maid
B39 Frolicher, Miss C54 Hays, Miss Margaret
Marguerite B11 Head, Mr. Christopher
E46 Hilliard, Mr. Herbert
Henry
C39 Hipkins, Mr. W. E.
B18
Hippach, Mrs. Ida S.
Hippach, Miss Jean
D11 Hogeboom, Mrs. John C.

G

Holden, M.A., Rev. J.
E63 Gee, Mr. Arthur H. Stuart
C92
Goldenberg, Mr. E. L. C93
Hoyt, Mr. Frederick M.
Goldenberg, Mrs. E. L. Hoyt, Mrs. Frederick M.
A5 Goldschmidt, Mr.
George B.
C51 Gracie,Colonel
Archibald
C42 Graham, Mr.
C91
Graham, Mrs. William G.
C125 Graham, Miss Margaret
D10
Greenfield, Mrs. L. D.

I

D12 Greenfield, Mr. W. B. C49 Isham, Miss A. E.
B84 Giglio, Mr. Victor
Guggenheim, Mr.
Benjamin

H

J

E50
Harder, Mr. George A. Jakob, Mr. Birnbaum
Harder, Mrs. George A. E60 Julian, Mr. H. F.

K

E46 McCarthy, Mr. Timothy
B37 Kent, Mr. Edward A. J.
D21
Kenyon, Mr. F. R. E25/1 McGough, Mr. J. R.
Kenyon, Mrs. F. R. E38 Millet, Mr. Frank D.
D19
Kimball, Mr. E. N. C78
Minahan, Dr. W. E.
Kimball, Mrs. E. N. Minahan, Mrs. W. E.
C124 Klaber, Mr. Herman Minahan, Miss Daisy
C30 Molsom,Mr.H.Markland
A16
Morgan, Mr.
A20 Morgan, Mrs.
E36 and Maid

L

C128 Lambert-Williams, Mr.

N

Fletcher Fellowes C118 Natsch,Mr. Charles
E37/1 Lawrence, Mr. Arthur D48
D36
Newell, Mr. A. W.
D17/3 Leader, Mrs. F. A. Newell, Miss Alice
D31 Lewis, Mrs. Charlton T. Newell,Miss Madeline
D28
Lines, Mrs. Ernest H. D47 Newsom,Miss Helen
Lines, Miss Mary C.
D6 Long, Mr. Milton C.
D9 Longley, MissGretchenF.

O

B30
Ostby, Mr. E. C.
B36 Ostby, Miss Helen R.
D43 Ovies; Mr. S.

M

B5 Madill, Miss Georgette
Alexandra
C108 Maguire, Mr. J. E.
C47 Marechal, Mr. Pierre

P

D30
Marvin, Mr. D. W. Parr, Mr. M. H. W.
Marvin, Mrs. D. W. C142 Partner,Mr. Austin
C6 McCaffry, Mr. T. Payne, Mr.V.

C2
Pears, Mr. Thomas B45
Snyder, Mr. John
Pears, Mrs. Thomas Snyder, Mrs. John
C65
C109/1
Penasco, Mr. Victor E34
E36
E40/1
Spedden,Mr. FrederickO.
Penasco, Mrs. Victor Spedden,Mrs. Frederick
and maid O.
C104 Peuchen, Major Arthur and Maid
C110 Porter, Mr. Walter Spedden, Master R.
Chamberlain Douglas
C50 Potter, Mrs. Thomas, Jr. and Nurse
B76
B80/1
Spencer, Mr. W. A.
Spencer, Mrs. W. A.
and Maid
B50 Stahelin, Mr. Max
Stead, Mr. W. T.
B41
Stehli,Mr. Max Frolicher
Stehli,Mrs. Max Frolicher
D20 Stephenson, Mrs. W. B.

R

B28
Stone, Mrs. George M.
Reuchlin, Mr. Jonkheer and Maid
J. G. Straus, Mr. Isidor
B3
Robert, Mrs. Elizabeth C55 and Manservant
Walton C57 Straus, Mrs. Isidor
and Maid C97 and Maid
A24 Roebling, Mr. Washington D50 Sutton, Mr. Frederick
A. 2nd D17/1 Swift, Mrs. Frederick Joel
A32 Rood, Mr. Hugo R.
A10 Ross, Mr. J. Hugo
C37
Rothes, The Countess of
and Maid

T

S

E67
E68/1
Taussig, Mr. Emil
C106 Saalfeld, Mr. Adolphe Taussig, Mrs. Emil
C125 Shutes, Miss E. W. Taussig, Miss Ruth
E24/1 Silverthorne, Mr. C126
Taylor, Mr. E. Z.
E44 Silvey, Mr. William B. Taylor, Mrs. E. Z.
Silvey, Mrs. William B. Thayer, Mr. J. B.
A26 Simonius, Mr. Oberst Thayer, Mrs. J. B.
Alfons and Maid
A7 Smith, Mr. J. Clinch Thayer, Mr. J. B., Jr.
A19 Smith, Mr. R. W. C53 Tucker, Mr. G. M., Jr.

V

Y

B19 Van der Hoef, Mr. C32 Young, Miss Marie
Wyckoff

W

D46 Walker, Mr. W.
Anderson
D37
Warren, Mr. F. M.
Warren, Mrs. F. M.
D26
White, Mr. Percival W.
White, Mr. Richard F.
C32
White, Mrs. J. Stuart
C99/1 and Maid
C120/1 and Manservant
C80
C82
D44
Widener, Mr. George D.
and Manservant
Widener, Mrs. George D.
and Maid
Widener, Mr. Harry
D32
Wood, Mr. Frank P.
Wood, Mrs. Frank P.
C52 Woolner, Mr. Hugh

References
First Class Passenger List S.S. Titanic ("3rd Proof") ["Cave List"], Public Archives of Nova Scotia

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  1. Hildo Thiel

    Hildo Thiel said:

    Hi all, I have a question about the cavelist. First class had a cavelist. Had second- and third class a cave list too? regards, Hildo

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  2. Mike Poirier

    Mike Poirier said:

    Apparently something similar was held at the WSL offices in NY. As Esther hart consulted it right after the disaster to see who was in the cabins near her and who survived out them.

  3. Hildo Thiel

    Hildo Thiel said:

    Thanks Michael for the message. So in the White Star Line offices in New York, they had copy of something that looked like a cave list. Was that for all the classes or only first and second class? Hildo

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  4. Rolf Vonk

    Rolf Vonk said:

    Hi there, I thought there were "Cave lists" and detailed deckplans for every class aboard Titanic. However only the first class "Cave list" and detailed deckplan survived, cause they were taken from the sinking ship by two first class stewards, including Mr Herbert Cave. Regards, Rolf

  5. Michael H. Standart

    Michael H. Standart said:

    Just a point of clearification, Cave List is not a generic term for a cabin assignment list. It was a name applied to such a list which was found on the unfortunate Herbert Cave's body. Cordially, Michael H. Standart

  6. Daniel Rosenshine

    Daniel Rosenshine said:

    Another point about the "Cave list" which is not generally known, is that it was not only a first class cabin list. The second half of the list was the second class passenger list, but no cabin numbers. Mike, do you know what deck or cabin Esther Hart was in? If it was on D deck, then yes getting a passenger's name and cabin was very easy as a second class steward's body was found with tickets for the entire D deck section in second class. Undoubtedly these tickets were forwarded to WSL in NY, however as other items forwarded there, the tickets are now missing, and most probably no longer exist. Is it known though that there was a complete cabin list for at least 1st and second class. Miss Isham's family obviously also contacted WSL to find out she was in C49, and then contacted Gracie, and probably Marschal too. Daniel.

  7. Hildo Thiel

    Hildo Thiel said:

    Hi all, Thanks for the information. So the "cave list" is so named because it was found on the body of Mr. Cave. So maybe we must call it cabin list or some kind of a passenger list. Regards, Hildo

  8. Michael H. Standart

    Michael H. Standart said:

    Danial, wish I could help you on this, but I'm more of a tech kind of guy. I don't know as much about the passangers as I would like to. Cordially, Michael H. Standart

  9. Richard Dobrenel

    Richard Dobrenel said:

    Hi you all, I've a question, Could the Cave List have been printed aboard the Titanic in order to make easier the work of the stewards (after that many passengers moved to other cabins)?It could explain the great differences between the prices paid by passengers and the cabins they occupied. But as Herbert Cave was a Saloon Steward, he did not nee the latest cabin list, what can explain some passengers moved after the printing of the list. Hoping you can help me. Richard [Moderator's Note: This message, originally posted as a separate thread, has been moved to this pre-existing thread addressing the same subject. MAB]

  10. Richard Dobrenel

    Richard Dobrenel said:

    is it possible?? Richard

  11. Michael H. Standart

    Michael H. Standart said:

    If you mean could an informal list have been cobbled together as an in house working document so the hotel staff could keep track of who was where and who was responsible for keeping it up? Offhand, I would say the answer to that is "Yes." >>It could explain the great differences between the prices paid by passengers and the cabins they occupied.

  12. Richard Dobrenel

    Richard Dobrenel said:

    That's exactly what I mean... The prices we can find on ET are the official prices paid at the offices of Paris,... So, if the passengers changed of room during the journey (and it was changed on the staff's lists), the prices and the occupied rooms look like very different. Cordially, Richard

  13. Michael H. Standart

    Michael H. Standart said:

    Richard, I'm not so sure were even on the same page here. The Cave list had nothing more on it then who was assigned to what cabin. It just wasn't concerned with who paid how much for what and didn't even have cabin prices on it. (See https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/cave_list.html ) All it was concerned with was who was being bunked where. That's it.

  14. Richard Dobrenel

    Richard Dobrenel said:

    I know that. But, on some discussion pages, I saw that Mr. X or Mrs. Y paid just £xxx xx s. for a large suite on B-Deck, e.g. So, this difference could be explained by the fact that the paid price (found on the page of this passenger) was the one paid in an office in England or France and that this passenger wanted to be moved to another cabin (which is noted on the Cave List) and paid the surplus to a staff member (purser?). This price is noted nowhere (it has maybe sunk with the ship). I suppose this fact explains the difference between the cabin occupied by the passenger (seen on the Cave List) and the paid price if there is a substantial difference. Cordially. Richard

  15. Lester Mitcham

    Lester Mitcham said:

    Hello Richard, On this web-site under: Latest Research Articles you should read: A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE “CAVE LIST” by Daniel Klistorner - 1st April 2004 What you are suggesting does not accord with the likely date of the Cave List. - That is the cabin assignments on the Cave List pre-date Titanic's sailing by at least several days. None of that goes any way to explaining the often large differences between the fare paid and the advertised Rate for a particular room. As for example Major Butt paying £26 11s. - That is the Minimum 1st Class fare from London. - £26 for his room and 11s for Rail travel from London to Southampton, showing as being in B-38 for which the advertised rate was £60. The type of arrangement you speak of [on-board payments to the purser] could [only] have applied to the few passengers who are on the Cave List with no room assignment, to some of those who booked in the last few days, or to those who are on the Cave List with room

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Encyclopedia Titanica (2003) The Cave List ( ref: #1173, published 28 August 2003, generated 23rd June 2022 11:07:12 PM); URL : https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/cave-list.html