3D print interior layout?


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Hello everyone,

I am weird and ever since I was young I always wanted a Titanic model with an actual correct interior layout. Im talking about water tight bulkheads, each deck, a rough/general layout of the hallways, rooms etc on each deck. I am not talking about making replicas of each boiler, table, door, chair etc.... just the most basic of floor plans. I would ideally like to watch the water move throughout the ship as it sinks as im sure most would understand.. Anyway, I am well aware this will never be an accurate way to recreate the sinking - I get that, but it would still be fun for me.

Well, I bought a 1:400 model recently and just got it in the mail... its much larger than I thought itd be and because of all the room in the hull my mind INSTANTLY drifted to my childhood fantasy of making my Titanic model with an accurate interior... I also took a look at the boat deck and it actually has the Grand Staircase as well as the floor plan for the deck level inscribed on the deck. Ill include a picture for you guys to see.... Basically I began to think, if only I had a 3d printer, I could maybe trace these floor plans already laid out on the decks, just build up walls around them. I could also perhaps make my own deckplans for the lower decks as well and use a 3d printer to build the walls and halls of the decks as well as the bulkheads. I could ideally just pre build each deck, then stack them into the hull.

Does anyone know if anyone else has worked on anything remotely similar to this?
Does anyone know if there is someone with a 3d printer or a service that would print specific things like this? I would of course be more than happy to reimburse not only for the cost of supplies, but handsomely for the time in pursuing my silly childhood fantasy.
 

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I wouldn't call it silly. If thats what interests you and you can find a way I say go for it. Might take some money and time but you only live once. When I brought my last project home my friends and neighbors were shaking their head at me like I was crazy. Said it wouldn't or couldn't get done. It was also something I wanted to do since I was a teen. Anyway be sure to look at the video at the end. It can be done.
 

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Woah.... that is insane. I only wanted something 2.5 feet long haha...
Well, its comforting to know there are crazies out there like me then haha!! That project is crazy. Wow
 

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This might not be helpful, but there was a documentary made in 1998 called "Titanic: Secrets Revealed" and to look at the (now debunked) theory that Titanic could have floated had all her watertight doors been opened, the show had a rough see-through model made of Acrylic Glass at 1/100 scale.
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You could see inside the model water flowing through the compartments but the interior only contained bulkheads. In theory if you (or someone else) are good at shaping Acrylic and sealant you could rebuild a similar model and then modify it with all the floors, walls and stairwells.

Alternatively, someone did make a giant Titanic model out of Lego that also has an interior that with enough bricks could also be recreated although both ideas do require a lot of resources. o_O



Regardless of the above though, good luck with your model!
 

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I'm also building a digital model.
which has a deck-by deck interior. It's a long way from flooding simulation though.
 

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This might not be helpful, but there was a documentary made in 1998 called "Titanic: Secrets Revealed" and to look at the (now debunked) theory that Titanic could have floated had all her watertight doors been opened, the show had a rough see-through model made of Acrylic Glass at 1/100 scale.
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You could see inside the model water flowing through the compartments but the interior only contained bulkheads. In theory if you (or someone else) are good at shaping Acrylic and sealant you could rebuild a similar model and then modify it with all the floors, walls and stairwells.

Alternatively, someone did make a giant Titanic model out of Lego that also has an interior that with enough bricks could also be recreated although both ideas do require a lot of resources. o_O



Regardless of the above though, good luck with your model!


Sorry your entire post is included in the reply... I never got into forums and whatnot so IDK the ins and outs of how it all works but Id like to reply to people without including a copy of everything they said... Is it possible to reply to someone so they get a notification that they were replied to without including everything they said? I feel it kinda clutters the discussion.
ANYWAY, yes!!! YES!! This was extremely helpful. I really thought nobody would respond to this thread honestly; I am ecstatic to get these awesome replies.

Acrylic glass... such a clever idea! I really like that...
I was into aquariums for a long time and I remember when I had a 3 ft long rectangle acrylic aquarium custom made it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 300.00, not including shipping. That was the price for just a simple, hollow structure too - unlike the hull of a ship (especially if Im doing it to scale).. I bet itd be a pretty penny to find someone who could (and would) shape a model hull to such precise specifications :oops: . Not to mention the cost of making all the decks and stuff. Plus, in order to make it out of acrylic itd have to be kinda big... Regardless, now I cant get this thought out of my head ----see what youve done?!!! :p

I am thinking about JUST making the hull acryllic, and just having a 3d printer make the interior decks and whatnot to save $$. I could use a clear/ opaque plastic so itd still be transparent.
This is something I have always wanted to do though... I am 29 but I still find myself sitting and pondering/daydreaming how the water made its way into different areas and what it mightve actually looked like to see it. How C deck flooded, how water filled Scotland Road then started raining down into the top of Boiler Rooms 5 and 4... what it must have looked like to see the Grand Staircase slowly disapear under the water. The changing of the listing also interests me a lot.

LOL, in a "Bruce Almighty" situation (if you havent seen the movie, the premise is God gives his powers to a normal guy) I would snap my fingers and literally recreate the ship itself including the damage so I could watch the interior as it flooded. Then I get anxiety thinking my "God" powers would "run out" or "expire" mid sinking for some reason then id get trapped below decks and drown. No, im not fun at parties incase you were wondering :p

I really liked your reply. Thank you for that. It really inspired me. BTW, dont feel obligated to respond to everything I said, I practically wrote a short story but its just because Im getting excited about this ha.
Vielen Dank!!
 

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I wouldn't call it silly. If thats what interests you and you can find a way I say go for it. Might take some money and time but you only live once. When I brought my last project home my friends and neighbors were shaking their head at me like I was crazy. Said it wouldn't or couldn't get done. It was also something I wanted to do since I was a teen. Anyway be sure to look at the video at the end. It can be done.


So I finally had a chance to sit and watch the video.. I am going to do some research and see how old this was and if his contact info is still relevant. Im gonna maybe reach out to him and chat (if hes willing to) about 3d printing and ideas for designing a model.

He is doing something very different from what I want to do of course, it looks like he is making a "Titanic go-kart" haha! That is incredible, but I dont intend on actually being able to fit inside of mine :p.. I mean, if I wont the power ball tomorrow I would absolutely look into making one that size ( now im definitely going to buy a few tickets tomorrow on my way to work haha!) but I gotta be somewhat realistic with my goal.. Im thinking of making a model anywhere from 3-5 feet and even that is being optimistic.

My goal is just to try and see how the flooding happened...specifically what areas flooded in what order...what caused the listing changes.....stuff like that. I picture the interior being pretty bland. Itll have to be see through so I envisioned using an opaque/clear 3d printed material for the floors and walls. I thought I could do specific areas with additional detail like the Grand Staircase, the boiler rooms, engine room etc...but most of it I imagine will be colorless and boring to look at for the most part. Its the water im interested in :p
I just had a thought, it is going to be a real pain in the ass to empty and dry this damned thing out after each flooding haha....

I really appreciate your reply to my post. I really didnt think anyone was going to reply at all so this was definitely a welcome surprise.
Vielen Dank!! :)
 

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This might not be helpful, but there was a documentary made in 1998 called "Titanic: Secrets Revealed" and to look at the (now debunked) theory that Titanic could have floated had all her watertight doors been opened

I apologize for replying again but I cant understand how people would think the ship could stay afloat with all her WTD open... Am I missing something, or is that utterly absurd? Theyre saying if you give water unlimited access to the entire ship unchecked, this will somehow allow it to stay afloat? I wonder what their reasoning was. Seems ludicrous.

The ONLY benefit I can think to opening all the WTD is that the ship would flood more evenly, not take on such a steep angle, and hopefully flood more slowly allowing more time for rescue?
Also, they could have the pumps in all 6 Boiler Rooms pumping water out instead of just the individual boiler rooms as they are flooded. Allowing the incoming water to disperse evenly within the 6 BRs and using all the pumps at once would be far more efficient than one boiler room at a time (when the water reaches the entrance to each boiler) taking on the huge income of water and having to pump it all out by itself.. Does that make sense ?
 
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>> The ONLY benefit I can think to opening all the WTD is that the ship would flood more evenly, not take on such a steep angle, and hopefully flood more slowly allowing more time for rescue? <<

This was one of the hypothesis which was tested this way and found to not be so. What happened when this was attempted with that engineers model was that the ship rolled over and sank something like 45 minutes earlier that she did in the real world.
 

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I'm also building a digital model.
which has a deck-by deck interior. It's a long way from flooding simulation though.


This is incredible!! Will you be able to actually test it with realistic water physics?
 

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I may one day, but that's not my primary goal. There's quite a bit of ground to cover before that becomes a viable project. Best case for a flooding simulation is one or two years from now.

In theory, it could be 3D printed, but I'd have to write an exporter for that. That's also probably some time from now.

However, I am hoping to make this downloadable when the model is complete. It requires a VR set, but the software itself is available now in a Alpha build.
 

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>> The ONLY benefit I can think to opening all the WTD is that the ship would flood more evenly, not take on such a steep angle, and hopefully flood more slowly allowing more time for rescue? <<

This was one of the hypothesis which was tested this way and found to not be so. What happened when this was attempted with that engineers model was that the ship rolled over and sank something like 45 minutes earlier that she did in the real world.


So I actually went and watched the video to see this scene and the rolling over actually make NO sense...
After the collision they explain that the ship is flooding evenly and ends up sitting relatively level in the sea for 2 hours, they show the ship leveled out, flooding slowly, everything stable, sitting lower in the water making it more stable, and it SUDDENLY rolls over?

They give NO real explanation as to what suddenly caused the ship to roll AFTER settling low into the water, after flooding evenly for "hours", and if you watch the video they show a few really fast clips of the actual rolling over and it looks like someone did it on purpose.

__>Their explanation was: "the thousands of tons of water inside her suddenly shift"..... "when water flows into a ship unchecked, the center of gravity goes up and she takes on a big list"......"the flood waters, now out of control, slam her into a helpless list".

__> My response to their statements are: WHY did the water suddenly shift, what caused thousands of tons of water to suddenly shift?? Did Godzilla climb on board??? Id like to point out that water HAS been flowing into the ship unchecked for 2 hours and everything was fine so that statement made no sense either. Center of gravity goes up? Well, at this point all of titanics boiler rooms and engine room are flooded, thats A LOT of water and it pulled the entire ship pretty far down into the water, and because the ship sits deeper in the water it would actually become much more stable and less prone to rolling over suddenly. The center of gravity can only "go up" for so long, once the majority of the ship is settled under the sea and full of water, the center of gravity becomes the water line basically. The insane amount of weight from all that water in her guts is going to hold her steady... it would take A LOT of weight to offset all the weight of the water in her boiler rooms and engine room (thats a LOT of volume) but if you look at the amount of space left in the ship it seems that it cant even hold enough water to effect the weight of the rest of the flooded ship let alone suddenly "shift" it all. Im not doing a good job explaining this, I know... im tired... The flood waters were out of control the entire time were they not?? Or am I mistaken? If so, what caused the flood waters to suddenly "lose control"? How did this "slam" her into a helpless list?

Im bitching at the documentary, not you by the way!!

Im not an engineer, so I concede I can be wrong, but my feeble intellect cant seem to reconcile what theyre saying and what im watching on screen. It doesnt make sense... They dont explain why there is a list suddenly. Something would need to cause this sudden shift in balance.


They also made a statement in the video at 24:00: "Before the clock struck midnight, people in the lower decks in the foreword section were already dead or drowning". So not even 20 minutes after the collision, there were people drowning....where exactly? The flooding compartments wouldve been the cargo holds and boiler room 6... after 20 minutes the water level wouldnt even fully submerge all the cargo holds yet...Why are people drowning? What are all these people doing in the firemans tunnel and cargo holds this late at night? Why didnt these people simply use one of the many ladders in the ship to simply climb away from the water? The water level isnt increasing at insanse speeds, it took roughly ten minutes to flood each deck initially...is that not enough time to get to a ladder? What happened to paralyze these poor people in place instead of walking away from the water?
We know others were able to get away from the water just fine... we have testimonies that prove as much. A few folks in the mail room. Crew members who were in the crew quarters in the bow, men in boiler rooms 6 and 5....

This documentary seems kinda sketchy the longer I watch.
 
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In retrospect, I feel having the water enter the Acrylic ship from tubes placed through the hatches (and the bridge?) instead of the more realistic area of the collision probably made the model a bit top heavy. Also the holes in the bulkheads were placed halfway up them instead of at ground level which is rather inaccurate.

As for why the model listed so suddenly, it appears to have ended up against the side of the water tank (possibly so the tubes weren't making her tip over to Starboard due to their weight or so they could get a good shot for the camera) and she just ended up capsizing to Port instead. Sadly a lot of documentaries only cover facts generally or simplify things a bit (or even are really inaccurate).
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As for other ways of making a Titanic with decks, Alternatively the 1/200 Titanic Trumpeter Model could probably also be modified with decks and walls to have an accurate interior (people have already starting selling 3D printed bulkheads to straighten / strengthen the plastic hull) although trying to cut out a portion of the hull to replace with a see through window could be really difficult.*

(Note: the model here probably only has bulkheads and weights inside.)

Actually a potential problem of adding decks is how would you accurately weigh the ship down in terms of the boilers and the Triple Expansion Engine ?

*Not to mention that having to separately buy wooden decks, metal etched parts and then the upgrade kits and / or even make it remote controlled would probably cost you a lot.
 

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I believe there's discussion elsewhere on the form about the Titanic rolling over.

The consensus is that the Free Surface Effect took effect. This is what happens when you carry a large shallow tray full of water. Any little movement will send the water rushing to the side.

Also, anything above the waterline contributes only to the weight, not the buoyancy. All the ship needs to roll is for the center of gravity to be out of line with the center of buoyancy.
 
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Actually, they DID give a reason for the rollover, and that was free surface action. In fact, in the real world, the ship almost did late in the sinking as she was losing stability. It's extremely rare that a ship sinks on an even keel and the reason for that is that flooding can never be perfectly even.
 
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