- Sep 1, 1996
Three warnings that an iceberg was ahead were transmitted from the crow\'s nest to the officers on the bridge of the doomed ship fifteen minutes before she struck...
Of course it is not true. If you look at the source of the source of the ET article link above, you will see that it was Saloon Steward Thomas Whiteley, probably the most accomplished liar and teller of tales that survived the Titanic.That explained nothing for it is not true.
The Widener party wasn't held in the fist class dining saloon on D-deck but in the á la carte restaurant on B-deck. Mr. Ismay and Dr. O'Loughlin (who was missing from his usual table in the first class dining saloon, he send his apologies of that to his table companions) were also in the á la carte restaurant nearby the table of the party. Thomas Whiteley couldn't have witnessed the toast since the á la carte restaurant had it's own (mostly Italian) waiters.Arun Vajpey said:
Whiteley is supposed to have been one of the staff who served at the Wideners' dinner party to Captain Smith in the First Class Dining Saloon on the evening before the disaster. This is not corroborated but might be true. That said, Whiteley claimed that Brice Ismay and Dr O'Loughlin also attended the party and at one point they all stood-up to toast the "mighty Titanic". In fact, while Ismay and O'Loughlin were in the Dining Saloon that night, they did NOT attend the Wideners' party. The pair dined together at a separate table that had a view of part of the Wideners' table.
Although it is indeed true that both Fleet and Lee weren't in the same lifeboat together nor was any of them were on top of collapsible Engelhardt lifeboat B however Whiteley isn't the only survivor on upturned collapsible lifeboat B who claimed there were "lookouts" on the lifeboat who claimed their warnings were ignored if my mind serves me right. I cannot recall exactly who claimed it as well, but I can vaguely remember that someone else claimed it too. I believe that the person who claimed he was a lookout was telling a tall tale. According to Whiteley that "lookout" also said: "No wonder Mr Murdock shot himself"/"It's no wonder Mr. Murdoch shot himself." after they finished their tall tale about the ignored warning. Although Whiteley is sometimes listed as a witnesses of the suicide of an officer he never witnessed it first hand.Arun Vajpey said:
Whiteley claimed that he got on board the same lifeboat as the two lookouts Fleet and Lee, who had been on duty during the collision and that they told him about this nonsense of seeing the iceberg "15 minutes before" etc. As a matter of fact, they were never on the same lifeboat. Fleet was on Lifeboat #6, Lee on #13 and of course Whiteley was pulled on board Collapsible B.
Of course; sorry my bad. In my hurry to talk about Whiteley I made an error.The Widener party wasn't held in the fist class dining saloon on D-deck but in the á la carte restaurant on B-deck
True, but if that NYT article above is to be believed, Whiteley told them that 3 separate ice warnings were sent from the Crow's Nest staff to the bridge over 15 minutes. He also said that he overheard conversation between them and they were "very indignant" that their warnings were unheeded by Murdoch.Whiteley isn't the only survivor on upturned collapsible lifeboat B who claimed there were "lookouts" on the lifeboat who claimed their warnings were ignored if my mind serves me right