I am afraid I cannot. I hope the book will be published in a near feature.Do you care to share any more about this unpublished work?
It is not a secret, and I am not going do disclose findings from an unpublished book. It is going to be published soon.When I was in school I used to hate that kid who would announce “I’ve got a secret.” He did it so he could boast of his superior secret knowledge. But what I learned was that those who had real secrets kept them to themselves and those who didn’t were the ones who told you they knew something you didn’t know and they weren’t going to tell you. Some things never change. My advice is either put up or shut up.
But then why do you bark out?When I was in school I used to dislike a rude kid and his advises that sounded more like orders.
Am I? I hoped you were interested in discussing your book, but it appearsBut then why do you bark out?
Even If #8 got 2 miles closer to the lights, and if both sidelights were be showing at 1:40, # 8 still would have been 1.4 miles away from seeing the sidelights if the Titanic and Californian were 13 miles apart. Not to say that at 2:20 a.m. survivors from the # 8 were able to hear cries of the drowning people. Mr. Crawford estimated at 2:20 they were 1.5 miles away from the wreck site.By 1:40am boat #8 could have moved about 2 miles toward the lights
I am not at liberty to share somebody else ideas from the book that was not yet published.Alex, I'm sorry if your idea of a discussion is to demand answers from others without willing to provide alternative ideas or work of your own.
Then how did you calculate that Mr. Boxhall’s green flares could have been seen from the CarpathiaFor example, I relied on standard geographic range equations under standard conditions in deriving certain distances and distance limits.
Alex,Please explain why nobody, but Mr. Boxhall saw the green, starboard sidelight by itself.
Why he saw the red but not the green with his naked eye?
I believe I took the height of a handheld flare in a boat to be 6 1/2 feet above water, and height of eye on bridge of Carpathia to be 50 ft. The exact geometric range is 11.2 nautical miles under standard conditions.how did you calculate that Mr. Boxhall’s green flares could have been seen from the Carpathia
at a maximum distance of 10 miles?
Did he?Rowe also noticed that it was about 2 points of the port bow by time he left the bridge which was shortly after Boxhall left.
So, now it is not 10 miles but 11.2 miles? Then why in your book the distance is estimated as 10 miles? Besides the height of a person standing in a lifeboat with his arm aloft plus the height of the flare itself was probably greater than 6 1/2 feet.I believe I took the height of a handheld flare in a boat to be 6 1/2 feet above water, and height of eye on bridge of Carpathia to be 50 ft. The exact geometric range is 11.2 nautical miles under standard conditions.
I'll keep these short. Rowe was using partially adjusted time on his watch which has been shown elsewhere. In terms of unadjusted Titanic time it would be close to 1:50 when he fired the last socket signal and went to the boat. Rowe even said that the vessel sank about 20 minutes after his boat was launched, and it was he who fired the last distress signal. I'll refer you to: Lifeboat Launching Sequence Re-Examined.At 1:25 Mr. Boxhall was still at the bridge.
How strange. It appears that he testified that the Titanic struck at 11:40 as she did.I'll keep these short. Rowe was using partially adjusted time on his watch which has been shown elsewhere. In terms of unadjusted Titanic time it would be close to 1:50 when he fired the last socket signal and went to the boat.
I know the visibility was very good. I asked how do you know that it was slightly changing.As far as seeing conditions, this comes from descriptions cited by a number of sources ,including Lord, Groves, Beesley and a few other who said that stars were visible right down to the horizon, a situation that points to the visibility conditions I just referred to. I refer you to section 407 from Bowditch that deals with Finding Range and Bearing of a Light at Sighting.
“Not more than 10 miles” is a baseless assumption because as you correctly stated you do not know exactly how high the flares were.As for why we said about 10 and not 11.2 for the distance of Carpathia when they sighted the green flare from Carpathia's bridge (not on top of the wheelhouse), I'll simply quote what was written in the book:
>>>From the Extreme Range Table in Norie’s Nautical Tables, we see that at this point Carpathia must have been not more than about ten miles from Boxhall’s boat. (Perfect precision in this matter is unattainable. We do not know exactly how high Boxhall held his flares and there is no reason to assume that he fired one just as the extreme range was reached). <<<
“Kind enough”... Maybe you’d be kind enough to tell me how do you know that the first rocket Mr. Stone observedNow that I have been kind enough to address the questions you just asked, how would you like to explain what it was that Rowe and Boxhall were looking at that night, or how far from Boxhall's boat was Carpathia when the first green flare was seen?
At 1:25 Mr. Boxhall was still at the bridge.
Yes, sir. When we left the ship thefore-well deck was awash; that is, when we pushed off from the ship. It was1.25 when I left the bridge to get into the boat. When the boat was in the waterthe well deck was submerged. It took us a good five minutes to lower the boaton account of this rubbing going down.
So the boat was fully loaded. Mr. Rowe was the last one to jump in and they started lowering it right away?1:25 a.m. + 5 Minutes + 20 Minutes = 1:50 a.m. Titanic sinks, really?!
He helped 3 women and 3 children into the boat then got into it himself. Now how much time would that take?! Then Ismay and Carter jumped into the boat and it was lowered. Then the boat took 5 minutes to get into the water due to the port list and 20 minutes later Titanic went down.So the boat was fully loaded. Mr. Rowe was the last one to jump in and they started lowering it right away?
Both the lifeboat #1 and collapsible C were located at the starboard side. If Mr. Rowe was where you said he was, would it have been possible for him to see the light at the port bow?Here is a picture from Olympic in red circle is visible the protruding shell in the socket in the railing (thanks to Bob Read pointing it out some time ago) whic is directly at the bow of emergency boat No. 1 and collapsible C (stored under No. 1) and in orange is the Morse lamp which was at the bridge wing. View attachment 44792
So Rowe was directly next to it. Even from the wing cap where the morse lamp was worked from it was a walk of a few seconds to get to collapsible C.
So now you believe in mystery ships?For example, Alex P said, "Mr. Boxhall was looking at the Californian. I am not sure about Mr. Rowe." Now why is he so sure that Mr. Boxhall was looking at Californian? Can he prove that with absolute certainty? I would find it easier to claim that Boxhall was looking at some unidentified and unresponsive steamer than to say he was looking at Californian. And there are a lot of people who firmly believe just that, as well as a several other unidentified mystery vessels in the area in order to fill in all the blanks of an incomplete puzzle.