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Jason Schleisman
Member
Cool Ryan! I'll have to check it out. 
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Rocky Whiteside
Member
They must be scrapping her right know, because went to that spot on msn maps, and theres nothing there.
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Timothy Trower
Guest
Rocky,
She will still be under tow at sea -- her final destination perhaps unknown until she arrives for beaching at the boneyard.
She will still be under tow at sea -- her final destination perhaps unknown until she arrives for beaching at the boneyard.
Michael H. Standart
Member
>>They must be scrapping her right know, because went to that spot on msn maps, and theres nothing there.<<
Since the ship hadn't even reached Guam back on the 1st, that's no surprise. The Independence is what is known as a "dead ship" to us sailors. That is to say, she's not making her own steam and she's being towed deadstick across the Pacific. There might be a generator running somewhere but only to keep a few bare essentials running for anyone who might be aboard to keep an eye on the towing cable. If there's nobody aboard, there won't even be that much going on.
Since she's being towed by an ocean going tug, the trip is going to be a slow one.
Since the ship hadn't even reached Guam back on the 1st, that's no surprise. The Independence is what is known as a "dead ship" to us sailors. That is to say, she's not making her own steam and she's being towed deadstick across the Pacific. There might be a generator running somewhere but only to keep a few bare essentials running for anyone who might be aboard to keep an eye on the towing cable. If there's nobody aboard, there won't even be that much going on.
Since she's being towed by an ocean going tug, the trip is going to be a slow one.
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Richard Glueck
Member
It will be no shocker if she joins her sister ship along the way!
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Scott R. Andrews
Guest
Speaking of satellite images, has anyone seen an updated image for Alang which shows the Norway in any form? Google Earth's image of the area is rather old, showing what looks to be a number of early to mid 60's vintage cruise ships and an aircraft carrier that I understand was an ex-RN unit that came to Alang after a second life in another country's navy. At the water's edge, there is also what appears to be the last vestiges of what, judging by the beam, must have been one whopping big tanker!
Regards,
Scott Andrews
Regards,
Scott Andrews
Michael H. Standart
Member
>>Speaking of satellite images, has anyone seen an updated image for Alang which shows the Norway in any form?<<
Not me.
>>Google Earth's image of the area is rather old,<<
Typical I'm afraid. With a whole planet to cover, they can't possibly update it every day. The remains of the aircraft carrier you mentioned may well be that old Brazilian ship which went to the breakers a couple of years ago, but the Argentine Venticinco De Mayo is another possibility.
Not me.
>>Google Earth's image of the area is rather old,<<
Typical I'm afraid. With a whole planet to cover, they can't possibly update it every day. The remains of the aircraft carrier you mentioned may well be that old Brazilian ship which went to the breakers a couple of years ago, but the Argentine Venticinco De Mayo is another possibility.
Dave Gittins
Member
Here's a long article about Independence.
We've heard it all before. A dodgy chain of owners, ship enthusiasts wailing for the ship to be saved and greenies playing up the hazards in the ship.
http://tinyurl.com/36ukn5
We've heard it all before. A dodgy chain of owners, ship enthusiasts wailing for the ship to be saved and greenies playing up the hazards in the ship.
http://tinyurl.com/36ukn5
Ryan Thompson
Member
They must be scrapping her right know, because went to that spot on msn maps, and theres nothing there.
MSN's map could be an older view from before the ship arrived at those coordinates I gave.
BTW, if you look at the Alang beach on Google Earth and switch on the Placemarkers layer, you can see names for some of the wrecks/partial wrecks on the beach. A couple of them are famous enough to have Wikipedia articles, like the Apollo (which has gone by like four or five other names over the years) at 21°23'58.24"N 72°11'23.18"E and the Albatros, at 21°25'7.61"N 72°12'30.12"E, the bow on the latter of the two is already disassembled. Just up the coast a few hundred feet is what a placemarker claims is the Big Red Boat III. I was able to find details on wikipedia about BRB II but III is a mystery. The Minas Gerais aircraft carrier (probably the same ship Michael and Scott are talking about) sits further down the coast, as does the Harmony I (Statendam). Even though the datestamp is 2008, the Norway isn't visible. So I guess the datestamps can't be relied upon too well...
Its clear why so many people want Alang shut down -- it looks like a sh*thole. You KNOW they aren't taking precautions to keep things from spilling into the ocean. I mean, just LOOK at it. There's a very visible oil spill just down the coast from the ships.
MSN's map could be an older view from before the ship arrived at those coordinates I gave.
BTW, if you look at the Alang beach on Google Earth and switch on the Placemarkers layer, you can see names for some of the wrecks/partial wrecks on the beach. A couple of them are famous enough to have Wikipedia articles, like the Apollo (which has gone by like four or five other names over the years) at 21°23'58.24"N 72°11'23.18"E and the Albatros, at 21°25'7.61"N 72°12'30.12"E, the bow on the latter of the two is already disassembled. Just up the coast a few hundred feet is what a placemarker claims is the Big Red Boat III. I was able to find details on wikipedia about BRB II but III is a mystery. The Minas Gerais aircraft carrier (probably the same ship Michael and Scott are talking about) sits further down the coast, as does the Harmony I (Statendam). Even though the datestamp is 2008, the Norway isn't visible. So I guess the datestamps can't be relied upon too well...
Its clear why so many people want Alang shut down -- it looks like a sh*thole. You KNOW they aren't taking precautions to keep things from spilling into the ocean. I mean, just LOOK at it. There's a very visible oil spill just down the coast from the ships.
Michael H. Standart
Member
>>I mean, just LOOK at it.<<
We have, and at ground level thanks to what Martime Matters has published and a show on the Discovery Channel. While it's a matter of record that they've made some improvements there, the owners of those scrapyards have a long way to go. Even then, shipbreaking is still and always will be a messy and dangerous business.
We have, and at ground level thanks to what Martime Matters has published and a show on the Discovery Channel. While it's a matter of record that they've made some improvements there, the owners of those scrapyards have a long way to go. Even then, shipbreaking is still and always will be a messy and dangerous business.
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Grant Carman
Member
If I remember correctly, the Big Red Boat III, (which I beleive started out life as the Windsor Castle) was scrapped in 2003/2004, so the pic would be very very old.
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Jason Schleisman
Member
Hi Grant, you were close. The Big Red Boat III started her life as Union-Castle Line's RMS Transvaal Castle. The Windsor Castle was a different ship, also scrapped at Alang at about the same time.
All very sad.
All very sad.
Ryan Thompson
Member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Windsor_Castle
Windsor Castle was already broken up a few years ago, right? The wikipedia article for the ship says its currently being broken up.
Windsor Castle was already broken up a few years ago, right? The wikipedia article for the ship says its currently being broken up.
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Jason Schleisman
Member
Yes, the Windsor Castle is now gone.
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Grant Carman
Member
The independance has now beached at Alang.
So much for the story about her being converted to a casino ship.
NCL has pulled another fast one, and will get away with it.
So much for the story about her being converted to a casino ship.
NCL has pulled another fast one, and will get away with it.
