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Rebecca wilding

Guest
Hi I was just wondering if someone could fill me in on the controversy surrounding uncovering personal arifacts from the sea.
Have any attempts been made to do this? and if so what was found? All I have heard is that the general feeling is that it is 'grave robbing'
Also, did the large metal barriers seperating/confining the Third class passengers really exist as depicted in the film 'Titanic'?
Thank you for your time and help,
Rebecca
 
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Dan Cherry

Member
Rebecca,
Personal items were retrieved from the debris
field in 1987, and I am not positive if to this
day those items went to surviving relatives. The
most publicized debate was that of the 'RLB'
belongings. The items may have belonged to Richard
L. Beckwith, first class passenger. Edith
Haisman's father's watch was recovered and she was
presented with it, I think sometime in the early
to mid 1990s. That's the only case I know of where
items were given to the family.
After she died, I believe the watch went to the
traveling exhibit, but can't be sure.

The iron gates in third class were found by a
remote vehicle recently exploring the wreck to be
locked in at least one corridor. Locked, too, were
the iron bars separating the steerage space from
the forward hatches (an unlikely, but potential
escape route). Yes, the gates existed. How many of
the others were locked, and when, remains to be
known.

Hope this helps!
Dan
 
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Mike Herbold

Member
Check out the bio on Henry Sutehall Jr. and the attached article "A Tragic Friendship" for information on an interesting recovery in 1993.
 
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Pat Cook

Member
Hi, Dan,

You wrote: "The most publicized debate was that of the 'RLB' belongings. The items may have belonged to Richard L. Beckwith, first class passenger."
What about Second Purser Reginald Lomond Barker? Are there any details that lead to a passenger or crew member?

Curiously,
Cook
 
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Lou Kerr

Member
This discussion thread reminded me of an article written by Nicholas Wade for the Sunday, June 25, 1995 edition of The New York Times Magazine. It is titled "The Great Escape" and describes how the Purser's half of baggage claim #208 was retrieved from the debris field and the author of the article was informed of the find by Michael Findlay. Nicholas Wade is the grandson of Lawrence Beesley, who held the other half of #208 as a receipt for an envelope containing cash which he had deposited with the Purser for safekeeping. Mr. Wade remarked that the Purser's half of the ticket was evidently safer at the bottom of the Âan the half held by Mr. Beesley, which was lost.
 
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Lou Kerr

Member
Last line of above message should read "...safer at the bottomr of the ocean than the half held by..."

Lou
 
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Pat Cook

Member
Hi, Lou,

Actually, that's not the end of the story...yet, in a way, it is. Beesley kept a 'scrapbook' (portfolio, actually) of all his Titanic papers and documents. Near the end of his life he gave this collection to Leslie Reade. Upon Reades' death, his Titanic-related items, included a great number of Beesley's, were auctioned off by Ken Schultz. Among the items sold were F. Dent Ray's deck plan which Beesley had acquired, several newspapers about the catastrophe, photos from Beesley's participation in the making of "A Night To Remember" and other such paraphenalia. But not among these items was...you guessed it, Beesley's claim check. It's still out there somewhere.

Best regards,
Cook
 
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Lou Kerr

Member
Pat,

Thanks for the additional information. Make's the story much more interesting.

Lou
 
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Daniel Rosenshine

Guest
This may be a little late, but where is the F. D. Ray's deck plan now. What deck plan was it and was it ever reproduced in any book?

Daniel.
 
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Charles Provost

Member
Daniel: F. Dent Ray's deck plans are published along with many other artifacts in a sort of 'memorablia box'. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. They are the December 1911 plans. The cabins A-36/37 are not yet shown on them.

I will contact you personnally. Regards,

Charles
 
Shelley Dziedzic

Shelley Dziedzic

Member
A new exhibit is coming to the Maryland Science Center- this may be posted elsewhere-opening in March I believe- and concentrating on the Titanic science ongoing - sealife, effects of corosion, rustcicles, other aspects, as well as artifact display on a smaller scale and the science of restoration.
 
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sandro campisi

Member
Hi, I would like to know if there is a book, a video or a web site with the complete catalogue of recovered artifacts from the Titanic. I was at the exhibition in Buenos Aires and I was amazed of how well conserved were the artifacts there, specially the clothes recovered and the bag of Mr. Andrews.
 
Bill Willard

Bill Willard

Member
This afternoon, the truck transporting artifacts to Kansas City was involved in a collision on the interstate. No news has been released concerning the condition of the artifacts.

Bill Willard
 
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sandro campisi

Member
Was recover the statue of artemisa?. I saw the statue on the wreck. That picture was of the expedition of Robert Ballard (1985).
 
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Brandon Whited

Member
Hello Sandro,

The statue "Artemis of Versailles" sat atop the fireplace in the Titanic's first-class lounge. It can be seen in the photograph of the lounge of Robert D. Ballard's book, "The Discovery of the Titanic."

While I am not certain as to whether or not the statue has been recovered by a submersible, I feel that it is likely. With the cherub statuette that once adorned the aft. Grand Staircase being recovered in 1993, the lounge statue seems like a good target for recovery.

However, the "Artemis of Versailles" is clearly broken. In the photograph I mentioned above, taken on the seabed, it is obvious that the left arm is missing. I am not sure that the recovery team would retrieve something that was broken, although they probably would.

I suspect that the broken arm is probably lying in the debris field someplace. Personally, I don't expect that it is around the statue itself. The statue was sitting on the fireplace in the lounge, and as the ship listed to the bow, the room would have tilted upward. The statue would have been sent soaring off the mantle and onto the floor, where it would have broken like any piece of ornamental decor in your home. When the ship broke apart, the statue would have tumbled out the gaping hole where it would have eventually hit the seabed.

I am basing the broken and missing arm on how the statue appears to me in the photograph. Perhaps it isn't broken at all; perhaps the arm is just buried in the muck of the seabed. I think I'll go ahead and ask this question before I doubt myself anymore: Is the statue "Artemis of Versailles" broken or not? I'm really beginning to doubt myself now. Also, does anyone know for certain as to whether or not it was recovered? I suspect so, seeing as how empty the debris field appeared in April of this year, when Channel 1 News sent one of its reporters down to the wreck.

Thanks.

-B.W.
 
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