At the VERY end of the movie

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Bob Godfrey

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Yes, that rings a bell. And bejabers, you're roight dere, me darlin', ANTR's Irish stereotype #1 is the equal of anything dreamed up by Cameron. Though both, of course, pale into insignificance compared with the entire cast of 'The Quiet Man'.
 
Inger Sheil

Inger Sheil

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Bob, sure an' yoir a grand fella! Now will ye join me in a wee bit o'Guinness here in Kitty O'Shea's pub?

One of the great skewerings of the whole Ye Olde Irishe (or Plastic Paddy) aspect of Titanic retellings was in Senan Molony's A Garbled Titantic. Who better to skewer all the Irish stereotypes than an Irish author?
 
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Mary S. Lynn

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Herself prefers a wee bit o' Harp at Seamus O'Toole's in salute to dere ol' Oirland... but never alone.

"An' we're orf to Philadelphia in the mornin..."
 
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Bob Godfrey

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I wouldn't be here at all but for an brief encounter between my grandmother Mary O'Reilly and a blarney merchant who assured her: "Ah, tis only a dance, come on now!" swiftly followed by "Ah well now, that's enough of that, gives us something livelier!"
 
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Mary S. Lynn

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And subsequently followed by "I need a good Christian name for the wee one, Father"..as in my case. That "Mary" has been a tag for generations, despite our evolution into the C of E! I am the current recipient.
 
Inger Sheil

Inger Sheil

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Well, our Oirish friend did have his arm around his former dancing partner during the service on board the Carpathia, so perhaps she was not unamendable to another jig once they were rescued?

The obligatory steerage party - a must-have for Titanic flicks! I nearly wrote 'Irish Steerage Party', but the Nazi propoganda film version was crammed with sizzling gypsies by my recollection (nod to Rowan Atkinson and Gertrude Perkins there!) dancing their hearts out. And in the Barbara Stynwick film we had a bit of a jolly singalong with the college boys. Spiffy, eh?

Oddly, our family seem to have gone for Swedish, Hebrew and Anglo-Saxon first names for my generation - although we're RCs and Irish Australians going back many generations. One great-grandfather who sailed from Cobh/Queenstown in the 1870s was a Patrick Sheehan...and when we visited his home place, Kilorglin, a couple of years back, sure enough there was a 'Patrick Sheehan' pub.
 
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Caroline Chavez

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What is funny to me is that i never knew that Rose was supposed to be DeaD at the end of the movie. I always thought she was sleeping and that was maybe a dream she was having. But then i was discussing that scene with a friend of mines and she said that Rose was dead then. I was very shocked because i thought she was just Resting! lol) well thanks everyone.
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Bob Godfrey

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James Cameron leaves it up to you, Caroline. The stage directions in the script read like this: She is very still. She could be sleeping, or maybe something else. So don't let anyone tell you Rose isn't asleep and dreaming if that's your choice.
 
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Darren Honeycutt

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I never thought this subject would ever come up again. Of course all of us Rose lovers know good and well that she is only sleeping waiting for the sequel to Titanic.
 
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Eric Paddon

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"But then i was discussing that scene with a friend of mines and she said that Rose was dead then. I was very shocked because i thought she was just Resting! lol)"

Caroline, what's funny to me, is the way you phrase that I suddenly have this vision of John Cleese doing the Parrot Sketch as applied to this thread: "She's not resting, she's DEAD! Bereft of life she is no more! This is an ex-Rose!"
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(Michael Palin can take the side that she's not dead, she's just resting)
 
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Caroline Chavez

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Wow thank you guys. It is an interesting concept. Anyhow i do love the movie Titanic. ANOTHER QUESTION:::::: Did James Cameron really go down to the Titanic in the filming? Probably this is a obviouse question.. (but all of us are on this earth to learn :-( ) hehehe
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Caroline :)
 
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Tom Pappas

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Good (Walter) Lord! Is this discussion still going on? It started six years ago this December. I am satisfied that Rose fell asleep, and dreamed that she died and went back to the ship.

Caroline,

Cameron did indeed film some of the exteriors on the wreck site, but most of it was model work in the studio. Parks Stephenson can probably fill you in on which was real, if you care.
 
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Parks Stephenson

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Caroline,

Cameron's first dive on Titanic happened when he had a concept for a film about Titanic and wanted to see if the wreck could factor into that concept. My understanding is that it was during that first dive that he caught the "Titanic bug" that still drives him today. He made subsequent dives to the wreck during the course of the filming, and of course, returned to the wreck for even closer looks in 2001.

General rule of thumb when watching the exterior shots in the '97 film...if you see two submersibles in frame, then you're looking at the wreck model. If only one or none, it's probably real footage. I haven't timed it to see which has more screen time...model or actual wreck. For interiors, real footage was mixed with staged, sometimes in the same sequence (the exploration of Rose's stateroom suite is a good example...real footage of the fireplace, bathtub, and even the little white crab were mixed with carefully-matched props). Some scenes were re-creations of actual features, like the doll's head first noticed by Ballard's team.

"Ghosts of the Abyss," on the other hand, used wreck footage almost exclusively. The rest was computer-generated visual effects, which are easy enough to spot.

Then there is the wreck footage that Cameron shot but didn't use in the 1997 film. We can only hope that one day that footage will be combined with his 2001 footage and released separately for the hardcore enthusiasts.

Parks
 
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Nicolas Roughol

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Parks, your post makes me wonder. I recently read in a Cameron interview that while diving on the wreck in '95, he was not supposed to go inside the wreck, primarly because his bots were not designed to do such a thing (which is also the reason why he went back for GOTA with newly designed, smaller bots). He also said in that interview that while doing the latest dive in 1995, he couldn't resist and sent one of the bot inside, only he couldn't go any further than just a few feet. So when you say that some footage (fireplace, bathtub) was from the real wreck, I wonder...The bathtub looks a lot like the one in Cpt Smith's quarters (is it btw?) and therefore that footage was easy to get, but the fireplace? Was it really the fireplace from B-52? If so, how could Cameron get any footage of it back in '95?
 
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Parks Stephenson

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Nicolas,

I am not very knowledgeable about passenger accommodations, so you'll have to figure out which stateroom I'm talking about from the description. Cameron was able to get his ROV into the starboard-side "Millionaire's suite" on B Deck from the Grand Staircase in 1995. The brass firebox from the fireplace and bath from that suite were filmed. He also took the ROV farther down the GSC to the D-deck landing and explored a bit of the Reception Room area there. The footage of the door grates leading to the Dining Saloon was real.

The reason why he could get these was because they were easily accessible from the GSC. The stateroom was right off the stairwell, so Cameron did not have to penetrate far. Snoop Dog was too large to enter into the interior of the wreck through any other opening.

RMSTI had the same problem in '93 (I think) when they sent Robin through the skylight in the Marconi Room. They could penetrate a few feet, but the ROV was too big to look around the wall to find the transmitting apparatus on the other side. So close, but no banana.

I don't believe that footage of Captain Smith's bathtub was shot in '95, but I could be wrong on that. The tub was definitely shot during the 2001 expedition and subsequently used in GotA.

Parks
 
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