Automobiles and Social Caste

Dave and Michael,
>>Imagine modern ads telling us that the infinitely wise President Obama chooses a Ford!<<

At least Ford is marginally solvent.
True! I might consider a Ford if there was an add toting that Obama had one and plus that they are solvent too. You might be on to something Fellas.
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President Obama is being driven around. I think the Secret Service protection detail would have a stroke if the POTUS got behind the wheel of his own vehical for a spin.
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Speaking only for myself, I'm not sold on star or celebrity power. I'm sold on whether or not a given vehical is of any use to me personally. One of these days, when it comes time to put my Malibu out to pasture, I may be looking to see what Saturn has to offer. They've been reasonably successful in no small part due to their offering vehicals which people actually want, and which get better gas milage then a Centurion main battle tank!

A strange concept there, but that's good enough for me.
 
Now, I always buy the same car, Michael. You've no much idea how much time it saves. I buy Ford Fiestas. They're fast, economical, handle like a dream, comfy and never break down. When the Malibu croaks, I suggest you consider one - though I don't know what they're called in the States. To help you make up your mind, here's a rather unusual road test undertaken recently by Clarkson of Top Gear. It starts off fairly normally, but rapidly becomes most interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axfa2fjE_wY
 
The latest Fiesta should be on sale in the US late this year, assembled in the Mexico plant. But they won't be getting the diesel-powered ECOnetic model which does 65mpg. The Fiesta certainly has received rave reviews worldwide, Mon, but unlike the car most Americans are not subcompact.
 
Can't think why you're surprised there, Bob. Clarkson and the Royal Marines: a meeting of hearts and minds. Am now trying to fight off urge to upgrade to the 2-litre Fiesta which, I understand, is the joyrider's car of choice. Which may be a good reason not to buy one....

I can't help it, though. I just fancy being a little old lady zooming around in a shiny black car with wide alloy wheels, spoiler, paparazzi-proof windows, and truly terrifying alarm. Not to mention an industrial sound system bawling Puccini all over the neighbourhood. Fancy a spin?
 
I'm sorry I showed up too late to this party to be any help to Ben. But here's a range of advertised 1912 Cadillac prices:
a hard-topped Coupe - $2255
a limousine - $3200
phaeton (4- or 5-seater) - $1800
roadster (two-seater) - $1800
torpedo (another 4- or 5-seater)- $1900
touring car - $1800

These prices are not low, but it's true that there were plenty of more expensive cars on the market. The now little-known Garford went from $3750 for both the four- and seven-passenger tourers to $6000 for the limousine.

Here are some Peerless prices advertised for 1912:
38-Six Torpedo - $4000
24-Four Town Car (a smaller limousine) - $4200
60-Six Berline Limousine - $7200
48-Six Phaeton - $5000
40-Four Touring Car - $4300

Interestingly, for many companies, passenger capacity did not seem to impact price. The 1912 Corbin 30 Roadster (two-seater) and Corbin 30 Touring Car were both advertised for $2000. The Corbin 40 Torpedo (4-seater) went for $3100 while the Corbin 40 Touring Car (7-seater) went for $3050.

Model T's were not as affordable in 1912 as they would be by the 1920s. I believe they cost between $6- and $700. The Model T Town Car, the limousine version, went for $900.

The cheapest car was probably the Brush Runabout, which went for about $350. These were very basic two-seaters that I think were kept for recreation more than utility. An article of the day reported that the Brush was favored by young debutantes not only in American cities, but in London and Paris as well.

I don't think there really was a car for the middle class in the way that we think of now. Even the Model T would have beyond the reach of the average commuter. Second-class passenger Benjamin Hart owned a car (I don't know what kind), but he was the exception.
 
Americans could buy the mail order Sears Autobuggy (complete with instruction book) for half the price of a Model T - around $325. And in Europe we had baby cars at around Ford T prices plus much cheaper but very flimsy 'cyclecars', often with fore & aft seating for two to keep the width narrow enough to do away with the need for differential gearing. All aimed very much at the middle class buyer. Ford sold a quarter of a million Model T's in 1912, and that's a clear indication that he was selling downmarket, and succeeding.
 
Hey Michael,

President Obama is being driven around. I think the Secret Service protection detail would have a stroke if the POTUS got behind the wheel of his own vehicle for a spin.
Yeah their heads would be spinning! There would be two operatives on the hood and one on the trunk and 4 in the actual car it self.
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All,

The latest Fiesta should be on sale in the US late this year, assembled in the Mexico plant. But they won't be getting the diesel-powered ECOnetic model which does 65mpg.
Shoot the way folks drive over here especially where I live it's just as well. Bunch of maniacs.

Hi Brian,
No wonder some middle class folks with Cars were offering rides for $$$.
 
Sure I'll go for a spin in your 2-litre Fiesta, Mon. But first you'll need to assure me that you've actually bought one this time. I won't fall for that "only hot-wiring coz I forgot my keys" routine again.
 
Hello Monica,

you don't have to worry about the diesel-powered Fiesta ECOnetic model where you live.
True, the only real diesel power engine we have is our Public Transport or rigs

You need to worry about me!
At least you probably know what a turn signal is and how to use it. We're short 29 Cops and we're missing them too. Traffic is insane here.
 
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