Boiler explosion

I have not read any of the survivors accounts or any of the evidence given, to authorities. I know that the 1 and 2 boiler rooms were the most likely location due to the lights being kept on during the sinking. Regardless noone can remove a boiler failure from the equation without physically viewing inside and out each boiler for evidence of a failure.
 
First off, if you were to start picking piece by piece of Titanic and start raising these pieces and tearing the ship apart it would be completely destroyed! Keep in mind that the ship has been sitting down there for over 100 years and the sea life down there has had a feast feeding off of it. I think before saying that the boilers in boiler room 1 were lit you might wanna check the inquires first?? Titanic never even reached it's highest speed.

You would bring the bow and the stern up as they are on the bottom not pull them apart, you cradle the bow, you use a grapple/cradle for the stern.
 
First off, if you were to start picking piece by piece of Titanic and start raising these pieces and tearing the ship apart it would be completely destroyed! Keep in mind that the ship has been sitting down there for over 100 years and the sea life down there has had a feast feeding off of it. I think before saying that the boilers in boiler room 1 were lit you might wanna check the inquires first?? Titanic never even reached it's highest speed.

I have not read accounts, or evidence given, I know that the boilers in 1 and 2 had to be the one's providing steam to the generators, which of the boilers were fired and which were not doesn't change the fact that this was the area providing the steam. This is the area where the breach occurred, this is not the weakest point in the construction of the stern of the ship, the weakest point is forward of the breach, this is the area with the most damage.
 
Several years ago naval architect Roger Long did a sophisticated computer analysis of the strength of Titanic's hull girder with a particular interest in its breaking strength. A similar study was made of the strains on the hull girder as the stern lifted out of the sea. The results of his work was presented in a History Channel documentary which I participated in. The exact numbers are less important than the ultimate conclusion -- Titanic's hull proved a bit stronger than the design criteria used by Harland & Wolff. And, the maximum strain came pretty much in way of the actual break. In other words, when you do the science the mystery disappears.

Jim is correct that the place of the break came in way of boiler room #1 and that the change in height of the floors there would have been a contributing factor as would the large open space of the boiler room above. Add to that the location of the expansion joints in the superstructure was directly above this boiler room. It would be incorrect to say that Titanic had a "weak spot." But, if there was an area predisposed to a break, it was boiler room #1.

So, there is really nothing mysterious about the breakup. It took place after the strains on the hull girder went above the design strength. And, it took place where the configuration of the ship was least able to hold those strains. Sorry that the truth is so simple and so dull, but that's usually the case.

-- David G. Brown
 
There is eyewitness testimony about the number of boilers in operation at the time of the accident. I've found two examples by doing a very quick search of the U.S. inquiry records. This first is from J.Bruce Ismay, the head of White Star:

MR. ISMAY: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. The ship never had been at full speed. The full speed of the ship is 78 revolutions. She works up to 80. So far as I am aware, she never exceeded 75 revolutions. She had not all her boilers on. None of the single-ended boilers were on.


Deeper into the testimony I came across this exchange with leading stoker Frederick Barrett:

Q. Did you not have fires in No. 6? -
MR. BARRETT: Yes, the fires were lit when the water came.

Q. I would like to know how many boilers were going that night?
MR. BARRETT: There were five boilers not lit.

Q. How many were there going?
MR. BARRETT: There was 24 boilers lit and five without. Fires were lighted in three boilers for the first time Sunday, but I don't know whether they were connected up or not.


-- David G. Brown
 
"I am looking at weight at the time of the breaking apart, and the tail did not rise completely out of the water,"

There is an excellent bit of research done by a member Sam Halpern which addressed the question of angle. However here is evidence of the props being out of the water. It came from Lookout George Symons on Day 10 of the UK Inquiry:

"1508. (The Commissioner.) Could you see the propellers? A: - You could just see the propellers.
11509. (The Attorney-General.) You could see the propellers? A: - Yes.
11510. Then when you saw her like that, what was the next thing that happened? A: - Being the master of the situation, I used my own discretion. I said nothing to anybody about the ship being doomed, in my opinion. I pulled a little further away to escape, if there was any suction. A little while after that we pulled a little way and lay on the oars again. The other boats were around us by that time, and some were pulling further away from us. I stood and watched it till I heard two sharp explosions in the ship. What they were I could not say.{ the giving way of the structure above the forward end of the engine room?] Then she suddenly took a top cant, her stern came well out of the water then."


This was the moment when the keel plate from the right aft to WTB K came clear of the sea. For a brief moment, but long enough, there would have been a massive bending moment which would put the keel and bottom plating into compression and an extreme, tearing tension into the structure above..the main deck and top hamper. This would have been more than enough to start the back-breaking process which produced this next observation from the witness:

11512. Head downwards?..A: - Head down, and that is the time when I saw her lights go out, all her lights. The next thing I saw was her poop. As she went down like that so her poop righted itself and I thought to myself, "The poop is going to float." It could not have been more than two or three minutes after that that her poop went up as straight as anything; there was a sound like steady thunder as you hear on an ordinary night at a distance, and soon she disappeared from view."

I don't think there's a better version of what really happened.

"Your see saw doesn't take into consideration the bulkheads your see saw now becomes a ladder with a double floor of 1 " steel. attached at the sides to 1" thick plate with 5 rows of rivets, via the ribs which like the keel are formed of heavy plate pin bent to shape."

The main purpose of WT bulkheads is to compartmentalise a vessel. They contribute to the strength of the 'box' as in 'box girder' but do very little for the longitudinal strength. Likewise, your ladder rungs simply tie the sides together and provide footholds. They will not prevent the sides buckling between the rungs if a sufficient bending moment is applied.

"The engines were not side by side, they are located to the outside. where the whole system has its maximum support."

According to the plans. the main engines of Titanic were set side by side, 15 feet 6 inches apart and 7 feet 9 inches on each side of the keel with their C of Gs located at frame No.Minus 42...They and their bed-plates occupied and area of 39 feet x 69 feet of tank top in the exact center of the main Engine Room. The total weight including bed plates was 1820 long tons. To this, you must add the weight of the stern structure and its contents aft of WTB F when calculating the bending moment just forward of WTB F.

Jim C.
 
Where can I get a copy of Titanic's plans for the most part I have had to rely on Olimpic's plans

[Moderator's note: Edited to remove unnecessary quote-back of the entire preceding message, MAB]
 
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