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Joshua McCracken

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I thouroughly enjoy putting models together, and I have been trying to find out if any model company has ever produced models of the 'Britannic'. Not too long ago I wound up converting a model of the 'Titanic' into 'Britannic', but it just isn't very accurate. Any help would be appreciated.
 

Remco Hillen

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Hello Joshua,

There are no Britannic models which can be build out of the box.
There is a company though which makes small Britannic models, both HMHS as RMS; but this is 1:1100 scale or something like that. And I believe these are already assembled. Seeing there scale, they can't be very accurate. They are quite common on Ebay if you want to take a look.

Most used way to build a larger scale Britannic model is to convert a Titanic into Britannic. Tom Nicolai's conversion sets are a great help; they take a lot of work out of your hands. Though I have to admit that I don't use all things he provides.

Other option would be scratchbuilding it.

Russell Wild and me started working on a Tutorial for Britannic some time ago. This is the adress:
http://www.russellwild.co.uk/bmr/obsmt.html
The plan was a RMS/HMHS Tutorial but it is now a RMS one; and still a far way from being finished.
No idea if we're going to finish it, and there have been new findings which are not in it.
Wish I had more time...

Regards,
Remco
 
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Joshua McCracken

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I couldn't find much to help me out, so I am going to see about making a better conversion of a Titanic model to a Britannic. I am going to see if I can make the gantry davits out of excess pieces of plastic, and I think that I can make a level aft well deck if I simply cut off the part that dips on regular models and then gluing it back so that it is level with the actual poop deck. Any ideas about the deck house on the poop deck?
 

Remco Hillen

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Hello again Joshua,

The way you choose now for your conversion is the hardest way. There are several parts which are very hard to construct using styrene; most visible are the gantry davits and the A-deck/B-deck sides. These parts looks great in brass.
I'm not advertising for Tom Nicolai, but that's just they way it is. The sets also contain a small guide for some of the larger changes; this includes 1:350 scale plans to help cutting decks and placing deckhouses.
But then again, the sets are not cheap at all. The brass set is $45 and the resin set $35. Adding this up with the cost of a new model and all the other things you need like paint, it makes an expensive model!

As for the questions; I would suggest that that you buy some sheets of styrene in the hobbyshop. These gives the advantage that you can make pieces as large as you want; it works much easier.
I used such a piece of styrene for the covered aftwell deck; after I scribed the deckplanking in it. Same goes for the Shade deck, the deck on top of the Poop deck.

As for the Smoke Room on the poopdeck, this can also be build using pieces of styrene.
This is an example from my model:
http://www.debrisfield.com/Models/Remco_Hillen/remhbrit/aftadeck2.jp g (fix the .jpg)
As you can see, this area is reconstructed using several new parts. Putty, sanding and painting should hide the seams.

Hope this all is of some help.

Regards,
Remco
 

Jason D. Tiller

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Hi Remco,

I agree with Steve, that's a very impressive model!

You've done a terrific job on it.

Best regards,

Jason
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Hi!

There's no harm to say it again; my congratulations. An excellent model made by a skilled artist.

Kindest regards,

Mark.
 
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Brian R Peterson

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Hi Remco!

I am interested in making a 1:350 Britannic but I am unsure of how to go about doing so, what do you suggest?

Thanks

Brian
 
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Christopher Foster

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Remco,

That model is very, very, VERY good. I wish I had your skill, you have a gift!


- Chris
 

Remco Hillen

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Hello,

Thanks for the compliments! Nice to hear the model is enjoyed :)

Hello Brian,

If you are sure you want to make a Britannic model, I would definatly get the Tom Nicolai Britannic conversion set. Here is some info on them:

The brass parts, mostly the davits and the A/B-deck sides looks brilliant and I don't think it can look better when scratchbuild. They are not cheap though!
Apart from these things you'll definatly need photo's and deckplans to look at; they will proove to be a great help.(or they'll make it even more confusing!
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If you need more info, just drop me a note, I'll be happy to help.

Regards,
Remco
 

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Brian R Peterson

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Hi Remco!

I was looking at plans as well as your model, then examining the brass conversion set itself, does the conversion set come with the cover for the aft well deck as well as the shade deck that has the lifeboats atop? What about all those stairways to the lifeboats, and the detailed railings you have? These are but a few that come to mind, but are the most nagging as I havent purchased the conversion kit yet so I dont know what will be with it.

Best Regards,

Brian
 

Remco Hillen

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Hello Brian,

No, the Shade deck and the deck covering the Aft well deck are not supplied with the conversion kit. What the kit does have; it contains 1:350 scaled templates(I believe that is the correct name; I really wish I could find the guide again!) for these decks.
You can cut them out, put it on a sheet of styrene and then cut out the deckpiece. The guide explains it quite well, and it worked for me!
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One thing though; you might have to scribe the deckplanking in as I had to do; depends on what sort of sheet styrene you can get.
You'll have to buy sheet styrene anyway; there are many other places where you'll have to use it.

As for the brass railings and staircases, I believe the kit comes with enough railing and staircases for Titanic. This is, not suprisingly, not enough for Britannic. I had to buy 3 sets extra to get enough staircases! (I vagely remember that I needed about 36 for the lifeboatstations)

As you can hear, this all won't be cheap..

Here is a page with several brass upgrade sets; The Titanic Research and Modeling Association

The brass conversion set comes with:
Enough davits for RMS Britannic, lifeboat racks, davit 'footprints', A/B-deck sides, morgue building, 4 'red' crosses, gear channels(which are too small BTW) and aft well deck sides.

The resin comes with the larger Britannic lifeboats(plus the 2 motorboats), though not enough for RMS. Also supplied are the motorhouses and some other deckhouses.

Regards,
Remco
 
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Brian R Peterson

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Hi Remco!

Thanks for the info, I knew I was getting into an expensive venture here. So now my questions for you are:

1. Where can I get styrene, I can't find it online. And does the conversion kit detail where else styrene will be needed? if not could you provide these details.

2. Does the resin kit have the correct number of boats and Wellin and gantry davits for the HMHS, and the same number of boats depicted on your model or did you buy extra sets of these as well?

3. What did you use for rigging lines and how do you keep it taught and from sagging?

That is all I can think of for now, if I need anything else I will holler. Your input on this project has been most helpful and appreciated.
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Best Regards,

Brian
 

Remco Hillen

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Hello Brian,

1. I use sheet styrene from a company named Evergreen scale models, I can get it at a local hobbyshop so I assume it should be available there too?

The guide does show some places where styrene will be needed, though it does not show all the things. The entrance for the Infections part of the hospital under the Shade deck and the Palm Court/Smoke Room area spring to mind.
I have photo's of various stages of my model, which have been online at the 'Debris Field' website. Just read that the site should go online again on the 15th of September, so I hope they'll be back! It shows the several building stages quite well I think.

There are quite a few things you'll need to add, it'll keep you busy for a while!;) I could list a few; but I found that one of the most interesting and fun part of building such a model is finding it out yourself at first! Constantly checking deckplans, photo's etc. Give it a try
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2. There are enough Britannic-sized boats for a HMHS Britannic yes, I would not know of the top of my head if the 16 Titanic boats are enough though. It has enough Gantry's, but it has no Welin as they are provided by the Titanic kit. If you want; the Welin are also available in brass.

For my RMS Britannic I had to produce me some extra lifeboats; as the kit didn't had enough. They came out rather well, which surprised me!
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I couldn't use the lifeboats from the Titanic kit as these are too small.

3. I use simple fishing wire for the rigging, which I give a dark-grey/black colour.
As this wire comes from a roll, it has a sort of 'natural' curve. So when you cut a piece to a correct lenght, and glue it to the model it has a nice curve in it which, I think, looks better then a straight and tight line. (and it's easier to glue too!)

Regards,
Remco
 

Nigel Bryant

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Remco,

Hi there, I was just wondering how is your RMS Britannic model going? From the past pictures I have seen it looks so awesome. Have you based most of it from the Harland and Wolff builder's model? How far are you from finishing it?

Cheers,

Nigel
 

Remco Hillen

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Hello Nigel,

The past few months I've sadly done very little work on the model. Things have been quite hectic, though I should have some more free time available soon; which will allow me to do more work on the model.

The current status of the model is that all lifeboats are in place, only those that are in 'dangerous' positions are not installed. 3 sets of gantry davits are installed, slowly followed by the rest. The most time consuming part of the whole model are undoubtedly the walkways which are there to provide access to the lifeboats, I've only got one of those sets in place.

The Builders Model is a big help, but I'm using deckplans more actually. Everything from the deckplans is checked using photos, film footage, the Builders Model, descriptions, Olympic and Titanic etc. All these things combined give me a good base to make guess on how it would have been.

I have no idea when it will be finished, the davits will take some time. But when that's done, it can be finished quite fast…I hope it's done in a few months!

Thanks for your interest in the model, it's appreciated!

Regards,
Remco
 
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During the time that I'm still researching my Lusitania wreck project I planned on building the Britannic wreck site. I have alot more info on this except around the hole. What does the foreward well deck look like now? I can't seem to find pictures of it.
 

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