Bruce Ismay travels


Mike Poirier

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I read in an old issue of the Commutator the offical voyages Bruce Ismay made on his ships. But he did not sail every White Star ship. Did he just inspect them or did he sail on them unofficially?
 

Remco Hillen

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In his job he could inspect the ships every time he wanted, maybe you have seen that picture of Pirrie and Ismay walking allongside the hull during construction.
But it was the maiden voyage of the largest vessel in the world so.....Pirrie also wanted to go but he was ill.
Al lot of important people sailed, and that was a perfect way to let people see what White Star could do and to strenghen some contacts.
For example Ismay invited the director of the Holland-America Line(he didn't survive)
You could also visit Titanic in Southampton (of course you'd have to pay some money) when she was there, most of the photo's are from that day.
And I don't think he was there unofficially!
Remember he was in one of the 2 best cabins Titanic had when she sailed, but that could also be because Titanic wasn't fully loaded.
She could carry 3500 people, but on that trip she had about 2200 people(thank god).

Remco:)
 

Mike Poirier

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It wasn't that I was asking if he sailed the Titanic unofficially. On his list of travels, ships like the Canopic and Romanic ( etc... ) were excluded. My question was did he sail on ships like those unofficially or did he just inspect them. Thanks for trying Remco.
 

Remco Hillen

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I don't know really, i think it depended on the time he had, and the size of the ship.
Smaller ships weren't really inportant fo him to inspect I think, for sure if they didn't sail on the transatlantic route.

Remco:)
 

Joshua Gulch

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Remco,
You said "Ismay invited the director of the Holland-America Line(he didn't survive)" way back in December. I had no idea he was aboard. Who was it?

I guess that's one way of dealing with the competition.

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Ok Teri, here's where you're wrong. For those who have read last year's Commutator (I think it was issue #149) or who have read about Ismay, they'd know that Ismay ever only sailed on 3 of his ships' maiden voyages. The Adriatic (if I'm correct) the Olympic and Titanic. He did not sail on any other maiden voyages of ships belonging to his company.

If you're going to pretend to be Ismay, you might as well do it with real facts, otherwise people will catch you out.

Daniel.
 

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Without taking sides or speculating on who we all once were (or weren't), I note that on 26 April (believe it or not) 1883, with Bruce Ismay on board, Ionic I (on charter to the New Zealand Shipping Co.) left on her maiden voyage, from London to Wellington via the Cape of Good Hope. (Sources: Haws' Merchant Fleets; Anderson's White Star.)

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Now that I'm at home and have some books within arm's reach, I can add the following to what I posted earlier:

Oldham's The Ismay Line includes a listing of all of Ismay's Atlantic crossings. The only maiden voyages on that list are Adriatic's, Olympic's and Titanic's.

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What I post here on this messageboard I am very careful of.

I leave the pretending to the actors and actresses of the film industry.

Oldham's book was written by Oldham. Oldham was not Bruce Ismay, therefore Oldham would have no personal recollection of the maiden voyages Bruce took on his vessels.

Many a published works are inaccurate. The truths lie within the memories of the person himself. And it is up to the person himself to reveal those truths whatever they might be, and this is the reason for my site.


Teri
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Teri,

Please....If you understood anything about reincarnation, you'd know that the carry-over of past-life memories is subconscious and is generally only stimulated through "regression." You act as if you consider yourself to BE Bruce Ismay now. You are not. And if you once WERE Ismay, you would still not be able to sit around and tell HIS story as though it happened to you in your present life.

You seem either very young or very shallow, or worse very confused, not to realize how ludicrous this all sounds.

As for Oldham, he was an historian, who like many of us here are serious researchers and not mere enthusiasts; therefore he has more credibility in one syllable of text, drawn from documented archival sources,than you could muster in any of your supposed past-life memories.

I do feel very sorrow for you.

God Bless,

Randy
 
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My memories of Bruce's life were not written in a regression session. I have never had one of those and don't plan to. The memories that I write about are written with me fully awake and conscious. The memories I write about are remembered much like how you might remember how you brushed your teeth yesterday, or how you said hello when the telephone rang. There is no difference between remembering memories of 1912 and remembering things I did last week like going to a movie. Only dates they took place are of any difference between the two.

I do not expect everyone to believe in reincarnation like I do. All people have a right to choose for themselves, and I respect their rights to choose. I would never poke fun of anyone that didn't believe in the same things as I do. If they get it, great. If they don't, well then they could be on their merry little way, no big deal.

It seems that the historians stick together and the reincarnationers stick together. This is a good thing. At least on this board we know who is who, huh?

Hey you take care,

Teri
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Teri, I seem to recall Phil Hind saying that enough was enough on the re-incarnation thing and that you would respect that. I think you would be wise to keep that promise. As the site owner and moderator, his word on such matters is law.

On the matter of re-incarnation itself, you already know where I stand. Suffice to say that if it isn't supported by solid empirical evidence, I don't buy into it, and I don't assert matters of faith as fact. Historians rely on solid documentary and forensic evidence. Those who believe in re-incarnation and any other religion have no such evidence.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 

Paul Rogers

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Teri,

Quote: "It seems that the historians stick together and the reincarnationers stick together. This is a good thing. At least on this board we know who is who, huh?"

I take slight umbrage at this comment, I'm afraid, as I believe that a person can be both. I do wonder, however, if you fit into either of these two descriptions.

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Hello,

Yes, Teri I think you should stick to what Mr. Hinds said. He's basically "The Man Upstairs" of E.T., and he can kick you off the board. That would really be a shame, as it is a wonderful place to learn new Titanic information. I'm not supporting your claims and I'm not putting them down, either. I say believe what you want to believe but there comes a certain point that enough is enough. Like I said, I'm not putting you down, but for the sake of your message board membership, listen to Phil!

BTW: I read the biography of the man from the other line on the Titanic. This opens up a whole new story to me; I had no clue he was on board. It's interesting you never hear of him, don't you think?

-B.W.
 

Sam Brannigan

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I too was fascinated by Mr Reuchlins story. It is interesting that he travelled for free.

I have also noticed that a Mr. F Carlsson travelled first class on a £5 ticket. He was a first mate on the St. Louis, an America Line steamer. Was the America Line part of IMM?

If it was I wonder why his ticket cost £5 and whether he or his employers paid it.

Indeed, I wonder how many passengers on the Titanic had a connection with other shipping companies.

Credit where credit is due. This is a very nice thread you have opened up Teri, please don't spoil it by getting kicked off.

Regards

Sam
 

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>Was the America(n) Line part of IMM?

Yes. The lines that were "part" of IMM in the sense of being wholly-owned by it, were White Star, Red Star, American, Dominion, Leyland and Atlantic Transport. Hamburg-American (Hapag) and North German Lloyd (NDL) were not owned by IMM, but maintained their independence only through a profit sharing arrangement whereby IMM guaranteed each of those lines a 6% return on capital in exchange for receiving 50% of the amount by which their profits exceeded 6%. Between 1903 and 1911 Hapag paid IMM more than 1.5 million marks under this agreement, but IMM paid NDL more than 4.5 million marks.

In addition, Holland America was also tied into IMM. Harland & Wolff acquired 51% of Holland America, and then sold half of that interest to IMM and the other half to Hapag and NDL. HAL didn't become Dutch-owned again until 1916: first, it bought back the stock owned by Hapag and NDL at very low prices after World War I started, and then its stock price rose so high that IMM sold its interest back to HAL at a hefty profit.

(Sources: The New York Times, 12 February 1902; Bonsor's North Atlantic Seaway; Haws' Merchant Fleets in Profile, Vol. 4: Hamburg America, Adler and Carr Lines; Haws' Merchant Fleets, Vol. 28: Holland America Line; Flayhart's The American Line.)

MAB
 

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