C deck cabins

[Brian R Peterson]

Hi Christa,

C-86 had the toilet in the cabin itself while the bathroom was outside of the cabin itself, meaning it was not out in the hallway of course but rather shared with the adjacent cabin, from the toilet you would enter the bathroom through a door adjoining the two.

Yes, "just forward" refers to something close together facing the bow, if it was facing the stern you would say "Just abaft" or "just astern"

Best Regards,

Brian

 

[Lester Mitcham]

Brian I beg your pardon!

Your explanation of the bathroom/toilet arrangements in no way reflects the facts. The bathroom was accessed directly from C-86 with the toilet being accessed from the bathroom. The only way for passengers in any other room to share the bathroom [and toilet] of C-86 was if they entered through C-86 itself.

 

[monica e. hall]

Re who had the keys to interconnecting doors. Bolts, maybe? Much easier. You unbolt it if you want people to come through, and keep it bolted if your neighbours are nothing to do with you. Most convenient, one imagines, for people travelling with 'companions' like Mr. Guggenheim. (Hi Christa!)

 

[monica e. hall]

I'm still utterly confused about these inside / outside bathrooms and toilets, incidentally. If you look at the plans, many staterooms had other rooms inside them, presumably for a child or servant, which were not symmetrical - leaving what looks like a long, narrow and wedge-shaped bit that seems superfluous, or at the very least too narrow to do much with. The loo, maybe? I'm not describing this very well am I? Go look at the plans...

 

[Bob Godfrey]

Monica, an 'outside cabin' is one which is built against the side of the ship and therefore can have a porthole or window. Those which are located further inboard are 'inside cabins', and without the amenity of daylight passengers expected to pay less for those. Those long narrow extensions led down to a porthole, which enabled White Star to classify a room which would otherwise have been 'inside' as 'outside' (ie one which has access to daylight) and to charge more for that amenity. Cabins of this type were called 'Bibby cabins', after the shipping line of that name which was first to use such an arrangement. Hope that 'sheds some light' (at no extra charge!)

 

[Lester Mitcham]

above is a partial deck plan showing room C-80 [Olympic] which was C-86 on the Titanic. The furniture arangements within the room differ, but it shows the bathroom/toilet facilities. - The bathroom with a porthole and the toilet [WC] inboard against the main fore-aft passageway. The reverse for C-82 = C-88. C-80 [86] had a connecting door with C-78 = C-84.

 

[Daniel Klistorner]

Olympic's port side C deck cabins only matched Titanic's numbering after the 1913 refit, while the starboard side never matched the numbering. When using these numbered deck plans, one always has to keep in mind whether they're Titanic or Olympic and which period they're from.

Regards,

Daniel.

 

[Lester Mitcham]

Hi Daniel,

Thank you for that. I did not feel the need to specify that the plan was of the Olympic as detailed in The Shipbuilder since I said C-80 = C-86 on the Titanic. I posted the plan to show Christa [and Brian in view of his post that: "C-86 had the toilet in the cabin itself while the bathroom was outside of the cabin itself, meaning it was not out in the hallway of course but rather shared with the adjacent cabin, from the toilet you would enter the bathroom through a door adjoining the two."] what the true arrangement of the bathrtoom/toilet complex was.

Hope you are keeping well. How in University?
Regards and best wishes,
Lester

 

[Jeremy Lee]

Anyone knows the size of Cabins C82-88 on the Titanic? (In square ft.)

 

[Lester Mitcham]

Hi Jeremy,

The Shipbuilder says: ...about 11ft long, by 18ft wide.

 

[Jeremy Lee]

Wasn't it quite small for a first-class cabin?
I have found some modern comparisons for the size:
Slightly larger than Queen Mary 2's Standard Oceanview C1-C4 and Standard Inside D1-D6 (The cheapest on board)
About the same as QE2's Outside Type C2 Cabins.

 

[Lester Mitcham]

Jeremy,

I see no value in comparing with a modern ship.
Compare nearly 200 feet with other 1st Class rooms and with say rooms on the Lusitania. Rooms such as C-86 were large in comparison.

 

[Jeremy Lee]

This shows that rooms on board gets bigger over the years!

 

[Brian R Peterson]

Jeremy,

An 11 X 18 bedroom in a house of today is a nice size; in 1912, an era with no TV or radio I do not see the need for a gigantic bedroom aboard a ship, especially because the ship provided so many recreational rooms for the passengers to use.

Best Regards,

Brian

 

[Daniel Klistorner]

All,

Even Mrs. Spedden remarked that Douglas' cabin (same size as their own) was bigger than his bedroom at home. This goes to show that rooms on ships in those days were quite well sized (in first class at least). Douglas Spedden shared cabin E36 with his nurse.

Daniel.