Cabins explored during Ghosts of the Abyss


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Since we seem to be in a fight picking mood today, perhaps you can tell me, Jason, who's bed we are looking at when they have the conversation above? The name may be wrong, but I do recall watching this part and them having this conversation about the brass bed. The movie, in my mind, is depicting the brass bed as belonging Molly, at least as a possibility.

So okay fine, it's not Molly's. Who's is it?
 

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I'm not in a "fight picking mood", Scott and never am with anyone on this board. Perhaps you are though. I'm just providing the facts.

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The name may be wrong, but I do recall watching this part and them having this conversation about the brass bed.

You're contriving a strawman. Note that I've never said the conversation didn't take place. What I said was:

While that is what was said in the film, they were not a hundred per cent certain as to which cabin it was.

I recall the conversation just as clearly as you do, but again the cabin did not belong to Margaret Brown. Yes, it was a possibility at the time, but that was before new information came to light, which was Daniel's article. Read my post again.

As to who's cabin it was, I don't think that has ever been determined. But, someone can correct me if I'm wrong.​
 

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Okay Jason, you can change your post to be less on the offensive if you like, but your original comment "sorry Scott, but you've got it wrong", certainly seemed to be running on the offensive.

I was never trying to question what they actually found, but what they said they found in the show in regards to your original comment "That particular bed that is shown in GOTA was if I recall correctly, oak". All I wanted to point out was that they also showed a brass bed shortly after that, (in the cut version of the film that doesn't show Bill peeing, the brass bed is shown immediately after). Yes, they left it up in the air for the audience, I understand that. Given the evidence of the show only, which is where I assume Shannon's original comment came from, one could easily conclude that the audience is watching footage of Molly's room and Molly's bed (either oak or brass).

As for the facts, I do not, nor did I ever dispute what they actually did find. The facts are always a moving target and I'm glad you pointed me towards that article. There is some good info there.

This comment "While that is what was said in the film, they were not a hundred per cent certain as to which cabin it was. ", was not in your original post that I received via email. Please, if you care enough to hit "Post this Message", you should care enough to take ownership of your original comments and not change them later on and accuse me of not fully reading your post.
 

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but your original comment "sorry Scott, but you've got it wrong", certainly seemed to be running on the offensive.

You're reading too much into my post. That comment was never intended to be offensive. I merely corrected your statement.

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All I wanted to point out was that they also showed a brass bed shortly after that, (in the cut version of the film that doesn't show Bill peeing, the brass bed is shown immediately after).

Well, I don't recall seeing a brass bed in that cabin. I only remember viewing an oak bed. But, I would have to watch it again. I'm going from memory here.

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This comment "While that is what was said in the film, they were not a hundred per cent certain as to which cabin it was. ", was not in your original post that I received via email. Please, if you care enough to hit "Post this Message", you should care enough to take ownership of your original comments and not change them later on and accuse me of not fully reading your post.

I edited my post after posting it, but I didn't feel it necessary to mention it. Big deal. Last time I checked, the "Edit Post" feature was for editing your post.​
 

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Jason,

You edited your post, which is fine, and then accused me of not reading your post fully, which is not fine. I read your original post. So it is a big deal when your next post states things like "Note that I've never said the conversation didn't take place", despite your original comment suggesting that the conversation did not take place.

Your original comment came off with a certain tone, so I responded to that tone. So it is a "big deal" to change that original comment and then state:

"'m not in a "fight picking mood", Scott and never am with anyone on this board. Perhaps you are though."

If your intent was harmless, then that's fine. No harm no foul, as they say. I'm always willing to move on and say "sorry". In fact, I'll say it now. I'm sorry. The bed is a mute point at any rate. As far as I know, I could have been looking at Rose's bed.
 
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Hey guys I have a question about the film. Now I know that in the movie they got down to D Deck and explored the remains of the reception room. I have a bunch of questions about this so here it goes:
1)I know the framework for the D Deck staircase is still in place, but how about the 2nd Funell Casing. As I may recall, it was elaborated decorated to match the rest of the reception room. When they went in and explored the area, I could see nothing that clearly looked like the funell casing, yet Ken Marshall stated that it was there along with the carvings in place.
2) My next question is are both sets of French Grilled Doors leading into the Dining Room on both the port and starbard side gone, along with the wall with the windows that the divided the reception and dining room? Again, they only showed the ones on Gangway entrance as still being in place.
3) What remains of the first class dining saloon? Is it completely gone. They found some windows, but I couldnt see any columns or the jacobean designs or anything. Is the dining room completely gone due to the fact that it was near the breakup?
That's all I can say for now, thanks.
 
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>>When they went in and explored the area, I could see nothing that clearly looked like the funell casing<<

You probably wouldn't either, unless you knew the ship's layout and exactly what to look for. The whole thing would be covered up by any of the panaling.

>>My next question is are both sets of French Grilled Doors leading into the Dining Room on both the port and starbard side gone, along with the wall with the windows that the divided the reception and dining room? Again, they only showed the ones on Gangway entrance as still being in place.<<

That's all I saw. From the looks of it, much of it survived amazingly well and is still where the builders left it.

>>What remains of the first class dining saloon? Is it completely gone.<<

My understanding is that it's in an advancing state of collapse. You can get into the forward end but the overhead is coming down the further aft you go.
 
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Thanks Michael. How far do yout think it's possible to get into the dining saloon? When watching the film they showed something that Cameron said was the door frame, and there was muck like half way up. That to my guess is where the french doors into the dining saloon would have stood. Cameron must have deleted a lot of raw footage in making the final cut for the film. I'd love to see some deleted footage from this area, as it was my most favorite area of the ship. I'm sure there's like a special site to find it too.
 
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>>How far do yout think it's possible to get into the dining saloon?<<

Since the decision was taken not to attempt it, I would reckon that you couldn't get very far in there. When the mud is halfway up and the overhead is coming steadily down, that doesn't give you a lot of wiggle room. Unless Discovery decided to put something up on their website, I'd bet long odds against finding it unless it was cribbed illegally.

There is a lot of copyright infringement on the web.
 
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i wish someone could create a CGI of the whole ship, so people could download it and tour the whole thing themselves in little bots and see how hard it would be.
 
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>> wish someone could create a CGI of the whole ship, so people could download it and tour the whole thing themselves in little bots and see how hard it would be.<<

You can do this to some extent on the CD-ROM game "Titanic-Adventure Out of Time." I have used the "Tour" option many times just to explore the ship. However, I understand there are inaccuracies in the depictions, etc. When you play the game to try to "win", it does become a bit more difficult, at least IMHO.
 
I think Anthony meant the wreck...which looks like it would need to be a video game (Level 1 get your bot out of the ship from the Turkish Baths). Ha ha.

It's an impossible task to create a VR Titanic wreck because we'll never be able to map every interior room and area of the ship. But, even VR of the explored areas would be SUPER cool.
 
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CGI was has been used quite extensively up to the point of even being used as aides for exploration and also to illustrate how events would have unfolded if a given range of events played out as a theorist proposed. Parks Stephenson uses CGI to illustrate his ideas of how the breakup happened, CGI was used by James Cameron for both GoTA and Last Mysteries, and CGI has been and continues to be used to illustrate reconstructions of various spaces as they were then and as they are now.

>>i wish someone could create a CGI of the whole ship,<<

It's been attempted. A gent named David Clarke has or had a website which did just that, at least to the point of illustrating most of the important and famous spaces aboard the ship. I don't know that he's done anything with it in a long time and the last time I looked, major portions were no longer active.
 
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I'm still waiting for a Sim's Version of Titanic where your Sim could enjoy an ocean voyage or take part in the sinking and try to escape. I've seen Titanic replica houses on Mod The Sims and other websites but they don't look as well or nothing like Titanic but it's been a while since I played The Sims.
 
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A CGI recreation of the wreck would be perfect. Level one could be to get your bot under control and try and enter it into the ship. Level two could be retrieve the diaomond necklace from B52 lol. Level three can be unlock the safe in the pursers office.
 
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Hi Anthony that sounds like fun and it's educational as well. Call the game Raid The Titanic. Level one could be the debris field. Level two could be the bow and three could be the stern.

Too bad the Persia is all cut up from scavenging, or we'd have Tom Clancy's "Raise The Persia." "Catch The Scavenger On The Empress Of Ireland" sounds fun.
I started a thread on "How Would You Survive The Lusitania." That would be a cool game. The Lusitania has been torpedoed and you have 18 minutes to get off and survive game.
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that would be scary lol....Imagine....1500 people couldn't get off the Titanic in 2 hours, wat about 18 MINUTES!!!
I personally wouldnt mind a CGI wreck of Titanic. You could use ur bots and control them with the arrow keys and move them around the ship. Then when you get confused you press a button and the ship turns to new again, or you press another button and the ship goes back and forth between past and present while you're moving the bot around. I would never see the light of day again.
 

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A CGI recreation of the wreck would be perfect. Level one could be to get your bot under control and try and enter it into the ship. Level two could be retrieve the diaomond necklace from B52 lol. Level three can be unlock the safe in the pursers office.

I would be happy with just a CGI rendering of the wreck that shows the latest we know about the wreck so we can explore it. Doesnt have to be via ROV`s in my opinion. personally I did quite a bit of exploring of the Titanic with a ROV in that old wreck game that had you finding and exploring the wrecks of the Isis, the Bismarck, and the Titanic.
 

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