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Philippe Delaunoy

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Dear George,

Here is the sources used by G. Destrais in his book "Titanic à Cherbourg":

Newspapers:
Cherbourg-Eclair, avril 1912
Le Réveil, avril 1912
L'Illustration, avril 1912

The "Cherbourg-Eclair" dated 11th april 1912 (of which I have a copy) only mentioned the exact departure time. I'll try to get a copy of the other papers.

I hope it could help you.

It's probably my last posting until 7th January, so let me wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2002 !

Warm regards.

Phil
 

George Behe

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Hi, Phil!

Thanks very much for your additional findings -- I'll file them with the other information that you've so kindly provided to us.

Take care, my friend, and have a very Merry Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year.

All my best,

George
 
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Philippe Delaunoy

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Randy, George, All,

I finally received valuable information from the French Railways (many thanks to the French Railways Historical Center)concerning Train-traffic from Paris to Cherbourg.

I'll try to spare some time and write an Article concerning Paris-Cherbourg Boat Train Traffic.

Here is the timeline of a standard Paris-Cherbourg direct journey. My recollection shows that departure and arrival times correspond with what we could find in other archives (newspapers, books, Titanic literature) :

Train number 317 :
Direct Train from Paris to Cherbourg
Train with Dining Car (from Paris to Caen)
1st, 2d and 3d Class.


Paris St Lazare (arrival) 08:52
Paris St Lazare (departure) 09:52

Ménerville 09:55
Bueil 10:21
Evreux 10 :52
Conches 11 :19
Beaumont-le-roger 11 :38
Serquigny 12 :11
Bernay 12 :25

Lisieux (arrival) 12 :58
Lizieux (departure) 01 :09

Mesnil-Mauger 01 :37
Mézinon 01 :50

Caen (arrival) 02 :12
Caen (departure) 02 :34

Carpiquet 02 :47
Bretteville-Norrey 02 :54
Audrieu 03 :03
Bayeux 03 :21
Crouay 03 :33
Le Molay-Littry 03 :40
Lison 03 :53
Neuilly 04 :14
Carentan 04 :33
Chef-d-Pt-Ste-Mre 04 :48
Fresville 04 :57
Montebourg 05 :04
Valognes 05 :20
Sottevast 05 :37
Couville 05 :51
Martinvast 05 :59

Cherbourg 06 :07

I hope it could help you.

Warm regards,

Phil
 

George Behe

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Hi, Phil!

Thanks very much for sharing that information with us. Good stuff -- and very difficult (if not impossible) to find on this side of the Atlantic.

Thanks again, old chap.

All my best,

George
 

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A couple of questions:

Did she anchor out or moor alongside a pier?

If she anchored out, how many anchors would have been lowered?

When she entered the harbor, would the Titanic have picked up (and later returned) the pilot to a lightship or would the pilot boat come alongside? Same question for Southhampton.

I'll explain my questions, shortly.
 
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>>Did she anchor out or moor alongside a pier?<<

Definitely not! The Olympic class was too big for berthing at Cherbourg. That is also the reason why they used the Traffic & Nomadic.
She dropped anchor of course, but I can not remember if they used both. I think only the starboard one was used.

>>When she entered the harbor, would the Titanic have picked up (and later returned) the pilot to a lightship or would the pilot boat come alongside? Same question for Southhampton.<<

In Southampton pilot Bowyer left the ship with the pilot boat.
 

Harland Duzen

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This may sound like a silly question but I need to understand. Which entrance did Titanic enter and leave from Cherbourg? My current vision is that she entered and left from the western side near the Fort de I'Quest and stopped within the Grande Rade.
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(Image above: Taken from Wikipedia Page of Cherbourg Harbour Cherbourg Harbour - Wikipedia for educative purposes.)

However, this is being very difficult to prove since there are dozens of sources such as photos of Olympic entering and docking in Cherbourg pointing West and the only photos of Titanic taken on April 10th in Cherbourg either not being named or too blurry to tell if taken from the harbour wall or the shore. Not to mention both dozens of paintings by Ken Marshall and others stating otherwise.

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(Image / Drawing above: real or fake photo taken from either harbour wall or shore? where are the tenders? )

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(Image above: Still from James Cameron 1997 Film based off the painting by Ken Marshall showing Titanic pointing West. wouldn't SS Nomadic dock on the port side?

If anyone can confirm or disprove this, I be very grateful.
 
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She entered from west (and left again). The one image showing Titanic at night with lights on is a heavily retouched image of this photograph. Fort de I'Quest is visible on the right side.

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Thank you so much Ioannis Georgiou for the confirmation. So Titanic would have taken this route out of Cherbourg? and I presume the Tenders would then have docked on her Starboard side since a Gangway door can be seen open in the photo above.

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It's about time we cleared this up. Thank you.
 
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I would need to look it up again but they used both sides. The Traffic docked on her starboard side using the E Deck door while the Nomadic docked on the port side using the D Deck doors. I can not remember if the Traffic also got to the port side at one point (I think the E Deck door was also opened on the port side). I must have somewhere a report from a reporter aboard one of the tenders who mentioned how the sea rose up. He then claimed to had board the Titanic visiting different rooms which was not the case (as he described things which were not aboard).
 

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But why were the forward gangway doors open on Both Port and Starboard? Would't it make more sense for the SS Traffic and SS Nomadic to then dock on Titanic's Starboard side?

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I would need to look it up again but they used both sides. The Traffic docked on her starboard side using the E Deck door while the Nomadic docked on the port side using the D Deck doors. I can not remember if the Traffic also got to the port side at one point (I think the E Deck door was also opened on the port side). I must have somewhere a report from a reporter aboard one of the tenders who mentioned how the sea rose up. He then claimed to had board the Titanic visiting different rooms which was not the case (as he described things which were not aboard).

Forgive me, but I don't understand why the SS traffic would go to both sides since the doors open literally in the same area. The story of the reporter sounds to be a fake story given he saw areas which didn't exist. Then again this is just my opinion.
 
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Having a look at the report the Traffic went to the starboard side and the Nomadic to the port side.
Why the port side E Deck door is open is unknown, I guess possibly for the pilot.

The reporter claimed that he spend 4 hours aboard Titanic having been at different rooms exactly at the same time when one famous passenger was there. It is most likely he was not allowed aboard and made up the part using photographs to describe the rooms as the lounge. (Titanic spend about 1 hour 25 minutes in Cherbourg.)
 
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This might also help. Here is footage of the Olympic and Nomadic at Cherbourg. Skip to 1:50.




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Harland Duzen

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Is there any possible expatiation as to why the Olympic appears to have entered the port via it's Eastern side in prior / subsequent photograpghs?

RMS Olympic and SS Traffic Cherbourg June 1911.jpg

RMS Olympic with SS Traffic on Port Side facing West (Pre 1912).
 
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I do not have my notes regarding Olympic at hand right now. This image was taken when she entered the harbour passing Fort de I'Quest. (It is her maiden voyage arrival, 14 June 1911.)

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She turned and anchored (using the starboard anchor) while the Kronprinzessin Cecilie came and left passing Fort de l'Quest too.
 

Harland Duzen

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Thanks again for the info, I just wondered but it's clearly has something to do with mooring, anchoring with other ships in the Grande Rade and so on.
 
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I do not know if Olympic passed Fort de l'Est at some point or if it was used by ships going a different route.
Here is one showing the Kronpinzessin Cecilie steaming out.

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