Calling at Cherbourg

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Teri Lynn Milch

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Dan,

I knew there was something strange about George. I had a hard time figuring out some of the dots on his face, but now that you mention it, I've solved my riddle.

And I agree with you. Other than that, George is a fairly nice dude.

Teri
 
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181214

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Hi Inger!

Yes, I've been thinking about it as well!

It's hardly surprising because nowaday's whenever I go on a little shopping spree to France (mainly Cherbourg) it usually takes between 5 to 6 hours for the Channel Boats to arrival.
Until Philippe came forward and give more then what we ever anticapted beforehand which I am truly grateful for, it makes sense for Titanic's arrival which is only an estimated guess, but I think her time off docking at Cherbourg in the evening might have stretched between 5.30 & 5.45pm. It does make you wonder?

Best wishes

Andrew W.
 
Sam Brannigan

Sam Brannigan

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Hi George,

To be honest, Eaton & Haas do not provide any notes for sources of the information in their book - I suppose I've just accepted the info on blind faith (a dangerous philosophy!).

It was worked out on another thread that sundown that day at Cherbourg was a few minutes either side of 6.50pm, and there is a photo of the Titanic there in daylight - it's extremely difficult to pinpoint the time she arrived exactly though.

(That is without doubt the lamest sentence I have ever written in my life!)

Perhaps the intrepid M. Delaunoy could get in touch with the Maritime museum in Cherbourg to see if they have any records which could help. It may be unlikely, seeing as Cherbourg didn't exactly have a quiet WW2, but it may be worth a try.

Regards

Sam
 
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Geoff Whitfield

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George, "That's not an eye - that's a wart". Yes, and we all know where it came from don't we!!

Geoff
 
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Philippe Delaunoy

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Dear all,

First of all - Sam, welcome back !

There is no specific note in Mr Destrais' book concerning the "Titanic at Cherbourg" timeline but ... I have the phone number of Mr Destais' Association "Les Amis de la Gare Maritime et des Transatlantiques de Cherbourg". I'll give him a call soon.

I've already contacted the French Railways Association. I asked them some informations concerning "Transatlantic Trains" departing Paris-Gare Saint Lazarre to Cherbourg-Maritime Station.

I hope I could answer your questions very soon.

Phil
 
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George Behe

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Hi, Phil!

Thanks very much -- we'll look forward to hearing your report on the subject.

All my best,

George
 
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Philippe Delaunoy

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George, All,

Here is the transcript of an article published in the Newspaper "Cherbourg Eclair" - dated "11 avril 1912" :

"Le Géant des Mers

Le transatlantique anglais "Titanic", le leviathan moderne, celui qui détient le record du tonnage parmi les paquebots qui font communiquer l'Ancien et le Nouveau Continent, a fait sa première escale sur notre rade mercredi soir. Il était parti de Southampton quelques heures auparavant et avait marché à une vitesse constante de 19 noeuds.

A 18 heures 10 exactement, le "Titanic", brillant de mille feux, reprenait la haute mer à destination de New-York."

The french lesson is free!

A depature at 6:10 pm (Cherbourg time)seems to be confirmed!

Still waiting answers from the French Railroads Archives, Cherbourg Maritime Archives and from a French Railraod Society's Newspaper.

I'll keep you informed.

Phil
 
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Philippe Delaunoy

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ERRATUM !!!!!!

"...

A 8 heures 10 exactement, le "Titanic", brillant de mille feux, reprenait la haute mer à destination de New-York ..."

SORRY, IT WAS 8:10 pm Cherbourg Time !!!
 
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Philippe Delaunoy

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Dear George,

Here is the sources used by G. Destrais in his book "Titanic à Cherbourg":

Newspapers:
Cherbourg-Eclair, avril 1912
Le Réveil, avril 1912
L'Illustration, avril 1912

The "Cherbourg-Eclair" dated 11th april 1912 (of which I have a copy) only mentioned the exact departure time. I'll try to get a copy of the other papers.

I hope it could help you.

It's probably my last posting until 7th January, so let me wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2002 !

Warm regards.

Phil
 
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George Behe

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Hi, Phil!

Thanks very much for your additional findings -- I'll file them with the other information that you've so kindly provided to us.

Take care, my friend, and have a very Merry Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year.

All my best,

George
 
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Philippe Delaunoy

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Randy, George, All,

I finally received valuable information from the French Railways (many thanks to the French Railways Historical Center)concerning Train-traffic from Paris to Cherbourg.

I'll try to spare some time and write an Article concerning Paris-Cherbourg Boat Train Traffic.

Here is the timeline of a standard Paris-Cherbourg direct journey. My recollection shows that departure and arrival times correspond with what we could find in other archives (newspapers, books, Titanic literature) :

Train number 317 :
Direct Train from Paris to Cherbourg
Train with Dining Car (from Paris to Caen)
1st, 2d and 3d Class.


Paris St Lazare (arrival) 08:52
Paris St Lazare (departure) 09:52

Ménerville 09:55
Bueil 10:21
Evreux 10 :52
Conches 11 :19
Beaumont-le-roger 11 :38
Serquigny 12 :11
Bernay 12 :25

Lisieux (arrival) 12 :58
Lizieux (departure) 01 :09

Mesnil-Mauger 01 :37
Mézinon 01 :50

Caen (arrival) 02 :12
Caen (departure) 02 :34

Carpiquet 02 :47
Bretteville-Norrey 02 :54
Audrieu 03 :03
Bayeux 03 :21
Crouay 03 :33
Le Molay-Littry 03 :40
Lison 03 :53
Neuilly 04 :14
Carentan 04 :33
Chef-d-Pt-Ste-Mre 04 :48
Fresville 04 :57
Montebourg 05 :04
Valognes 05 :20
Sottevast 05 :37
Couville 05 :51
Martinvast 05 :59

Cherbourg 06 :07

I hope it could help you.

Warm regards,

Phil
 
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George Behe

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Hi, Phil!

Thanks very much for sharing that information with us. Good stuff -- and very difficult (if not impossible) to find on this side of the Atlantic.

Thanks again, old chap.

All my best,

George
 
Doug Criner

Doug Criner

Member
A couple of questions:

Did she anchor out or moor alongside a pier?

If she anchored out, how many anchors would have been lowered?

When she entered the harbor, would the Titanic have picked up (and later returned) the pilot to a lightship or would the pilot boat come alongside? Same question for Southhampton.

I'll explain my questions, shortly.
 
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