Cameron's stupid film

Does anyone feel the way I do about James Cameron's film? The real story of the Titanic is fascinating, tragic, heroic, eerie and about a thousand other adjectives I can think of. Why would anyone want to take all that time and money only to make a basically shallow teenage love story. I would much rather have seen the kazillions of $ that were spent on it, instead devoted to filming THE definitive true story of the tragedy. Minus major Hollywood stars. I loved the documentary that was done in several parts a number of years ago by A & E channel (back before it became the recycle king of Murder She Wrote & other commercial TV schlock.
 
Personally, I liked the film for what it was.

But we are dealing with Hollywood and money. The studios often take a real event, maybe twist it here and there, and add a story with fictional characters.

Look at all the stuff coming out regarding 911.
 
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I don't have a problem with Cameron's film. Quite a few aspects of the story itself left a lot to be desired in my opinion, but in the end, it was still just a film.

Hollywood, not history. I just can't get all that worked up about it.

Considering what it's success enabled James Cameron to do in the realm of real and substantive study and research, I'll take it.
 
I'm rather with Kathleen. Truth is not only stranger than fiction. It's usually more interesting. There were dozens of stories to be told, some of them very romantic.

I think it's significant that the movie doesn't make the top 250 on the Internet Movie Database. Nor does it appear in the professional critics lists of top movies.

Its main value is that it inspired the re-publication of primary source material that was previously very hard and expensive to come by.
 
Like it or not, but Cameron's "Titanic" raised public consciousness of the ship and her story throughout the world. I daresay this very forum wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the film.

Yes, I know that the story of Titanic does not owe its popularity solely to Cameron. Titanic-mania hit its peak in the 1950s, after Brackett made his film and Lord published ANTR. It can be argued that that surge in popularity led to the foundation of THS and a new round of research that resulted in a proliferation of books during the 1960s. The story received new life when the wreck was found in 1985. That, in turn, ultimately led to Cameron's film, which, by virtue of its popularity, convinced many to cough up the money to conduct expeditions (almost yearly since the film's release) that have substantially increased our knowledge of the ship, her story and the people who sailed in her.

You can like or dislike the film...it's a matter of personal taste. But to call Cameron's film "stupid" in a forum that was created in the film's aftermath...that's a bit disingenious, in my opinion.

Parks
 
According to me, I think that only to see the Titanic with her decks come back to live with her magnificent grand staircase, the luxury of the B-deck suites, the elegance of D-deck reception room and dining room, the cafe-veranda, the first class lounge, the first class smoking room, and her passengers clothed in the wonderful edwardian fashion, it prevents anybody to said this movie is stupid. I hate the love story but do what I do when I watch it, admire the sets and try to spot who each extras play. According to me, Cameron's movie not only brings Titanic in the general interest but he really bring back this wonderful era and this wonderful ship to life...

Sorry for my englsih...
 
Well to me I rather agree that it was just a movie. I enjoyed it for many aspects that the casual viewer may or may not have found interesting. Yes it was crass comercialism in the fact of the love story, but it did have many good technical aspects and historically linked stories intertwined. Maybe that was the intention of Mr. Cameron to get people in to the film maybe not, but it worked for me. For those of you that don't know, my Grandfather was a survivor. So I went with different aspirations for the film than many. In my opinion,[take it for what it is worth], it was a chick flick wrapped around a historically significate event. By presenting the story this way it got huge amounts of new interest generated. I give talks to groups on occasion and I can say from my experience that the ones I have given since the movie have generated far deeper questions than before. Of course I do get the ones about Jack and Rose, but that leads me into more discussion of the class differences that alot of people didn't understand.I guess it is like most things in life, you get out of it what you put in. People will always have differing opinions on everything and no two people see things the same. Take care all. Tom
 
>>I daresay this very forum wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the film.<<

Well, it might exist, but I would hazard to guess that it would be a mighty quiet place on the 'net.

>>You can like or dislike the film...it's a matter of personal taste. But to call Cameron's film "stupid" in a forum that was created in the film's aftermath...that's a bit disingenious, in my opinion.<<

I'm inclined to agree with Parks on this one. The film's success gave Mr. Cameron the juice to get the backing needed to carry out two expeditions to the ship which have revealed a treasure trove of information about her and a much better understanding of her demise. As Parks pointed out, he's not the only one going out there for a look, and each detailed expedition adds to our base of knowladge.

Would anyone even be bothering had this film not been made? Maybe, but not a lot and nobody would be trying that hard.

As always, your results may vary...wildly.
 
I agree that the movie left quite a bit to be desired...by the Titanic researcher, not the "general" public though.

I could even go as far as to say, in my opinion, the love story itself was stupid, but the idea to insert it into the Titanic's story for the film is far from stupid.

Because that's what sells. Youth, good looks, sap, etc are what sell in today's movie market and James Cameron was smart enough to play on that and it paid off. And, as stated earlier, look the real goodies we got in return! 'Ghosts Of The Abyss', 'Last Mysteries Of The Titanic' and a lot of other expeditions that have greatly increased our knowledge of Titanic.
 
I must agree with you, Matthew! Yes, of course the Titanic true fans and historians would rather prefer a sort of more historic or technical film, related to the ship itself as a machine or to a actual story that happened on board over that silly love story.

But yes, there is no doubt that this film is the most accurate one in terms of both interiors and exteriors of the ship, lacking only in some historical details, like the rules on board (third class in first class areas)and this kind of stuff. Nevertheless, the film as a whole is impressive, particularly the sinking scenes, that had never been represented in such an explicit and dramatic way. This film was certainly a big "jump" for those interested in Titanic.

Best regards,
João
 
>>The interior and exterior sets gave me a truer idea of what everything looked like to scale. It wasn't a stupid movie, just not scholarly.<<

Hear ! Hear !

My idea of the perfect "Titanic" movie (if there should ever be such a thing ;-) :

1. The historical incidents of
"A Night To Remember" (1958)

2. The color, special effects and sets of
"Titanic" (1997)

3. The "fictitious love story subplot" from Wagner-Dalton and maybe even Webb-Stanwyck of "Titanic" (1953)

4. Probably a few other details from other movies plus information gained from later explorations.

Put these all together and you could have a "Terrific Titanic" movie of from...say from 10 to 12 hours in length . LOL.
 
One could do a miniseries on the Titanic which concentrated on the history of the ship and the people who were aboard her. I daresay that James Cameron would be the perfect choice to make the film as well as he's a Titanic expert in his own right. He's done research on the matter going to the greatest of primary sources which is no less then the ship herself.

How many Hollywood directors can say the same thing?
 
I would not call Cameron's Titanic a stupid film, as such, although the risible love story that masquerades as its central "plot" could well be described by that adjective. However, it is not the fictional story line that makes people angry about this film - it is way in which it regurgitates sensational incidents such as the officer suicides, which had been invented by the gutter press back in 1912, and had long since discredited.

The supposed suicide of First Officer Murdoch had more or less been forgotten until this film was released, but now, thanks to the gullible nature of many cinema goers, it is regarded almost as an essential feature of the Titanic story. Neither is it acceptable to say "well, it's only Hollywood" - film makers surely have a duty to tell the truth, rather than recycle old myths in the pursuit of private profit.
 
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