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Message: [QUOTE="George Jacub, post: 446995, member: 146421"] [I]But somehow he managed to find himself in a waterlogged lifeboat - the only one that was so 'up to the knees' was Collapsible A.[/I] After Charles Williams boarded the Carpathia, doctors saw that his legs were purple and they recommended amputation. If he was in a lifeboat from the deck of the Titanic until he reached the rescue ship, how did he freeze his legs so badly? Nobody else in No. 14 suffered frozen legs. [I]First of all, no one could have survived in the icy water for 'over two hours'.[/I] That would be news to the men around Collapsible B. Many clung to the side of the overturned boat waiting for a chance to climb on when someone else died and pushed off[I] [/I] Self preservation is a powerful force and people throughout the ages have done the "impossible" to live. [I] The above sounds like something out of a Woody Allen satire.[/I] Capt. Smith's effort to save a baby was seen by Charles Williams and confirmed by two other witnesses---fireman James McGann and stoker Harry Senior. That's two more than saw Charles Williams getting into Lifeboat No. 14 from the Titanic. [/QUOTE]