Does anyone know what would be the age range for the children on the Titanic o be considered children? Is it if they are over 18 they are considered adults, is it 16 and up are considered adults, twelve and under considered children? Please can anyone help? Thank You !!!
i know that being said that the children were only children if they were under 12, but i have seen written a few times when "men" who are over 12 aer written as "Master", why was there so much confusion with listings like this?
There are other threads in which these niceties are explained in much more detail, but basically people were no longer considered to be children when they left school and started work at the age of 12 or 13. The law, however, still offered them certain protections as vulnerable 'young people' until they reached the age of 16. It was not until the age of 21 that they gained all of the legal rights of adult citizens, but most young lads were proud to consider themselves men on their 16th birthday. In everyday parlance, if an employer for instance was said to have a workforce of several men and several boys, the 'men' would generally be those over 16.
Oh, that makes more sense, but it kind of confuses a lot of people on the "who are children" "who are men" thing, seeing as the children's age could pass 12 and 13, before being listed as man. How do you think the Titanic was counting who was man, and who was boy? There were 12/13 year old's listed as boys and men.
Nobody would have seriously considered a 12 year old boy to be man, or a 12 year old girl a woman. The ticket pricing policy needs to be considered rather in terms of simple economics. A very young child could be expected to share a berth with another child or with a parent, and to use the dining room only at special sittings arranged for children, or in 3rd class to sit on his mother's lap. And in either case not to eat much! But at some point the child will be big enough to need a berth of his or her own, and will take up space in the dining room at regular sittings and probably eat as much as (if not more than!) the parents. It then costs the shipping line no less to transport that child across the Atlantic than it would for an adult, so understandably they were charged the same fare.
If i recall, children travelled at a reduced fair, like half of what is was for an adult, and infant (under 1 year old) would be free. I am not positive on this, but i think it is right.
As for the fourteen year old, she would be accounted a a single woman, paying adult fair.
From a First Class Fare Rate booklet:
"Two Children, each under ten years, One Full Fare. Infants under One Year £2 [= $10 US].
Children: - Meals for children are served in the Saloon at special hours, before other passengers. Children are not entitled to seats at the regular sittings in the Saloon, unless a full fare in paid."
From a Second Class Fare Rate booklet [except for the amount of the Infant fare I understand the same applied to 3rd Class]:
"Children of one year and under 12, half fare each; Infants under 12 months $7.50 each. The right is reserved to charge full fare for one child occupying a whole berth, one fare being charged for two children under 12 occupying one berth. No westbound tickets will be issued for children under 16 years unless accompanied by or coming to join parent or parents."
You do not say who the passenger is, [which would help], but yes an adult fare would have been paid. You can compare her fare with other fares.
A little off-topic here, but WSL's ticket pricing policy for children was rather odd in the generation before Titanic (1890s). Back then, infants under 12 months traveled free of any charge in 'Saloon' Class, but were charged at 1 guinea (£1 1s) in steerage. And whilst children aged under 12 qualified for half fare in the Saloon, in steerage full fares were payable for children aged 8 or more. So a mother traveling with several young children could find that it cost very little more to go Saloon (ie 1st) Class than steerage. Especially if she was a little creative when declaring their ages, as many parents were!
Thanks for all the replies. A fourteen year old would pay the adult fare.
Lester, the traveller I am interested is Anna McGowan, one of the Addergoole
Fourteen. Her age is given as 14, 15 and 17 years. I am trying to verify her
actual age. Got to asking myself, if she could have attracted a child fare,
because she was 14, would this not have been done. She had an adult ticket.
Our memorial in Addergoole states that she was 14 years old. Her death
details, census material in USA, and her own accounts later in life point to
her being 14-15 years. Other material here in Ireland points to her being 17
years old. Have not being able to trace birth certificate, she was born in
Scranton, Pennsylvania. Does anyone know how I might trace this?
In his book: The Irish Aboard Titanic, Senan gives her age as 17. That is also the age given on the NARA Carpathia Lists which were complied on the Carpathia based on informations given by the survivors.
I'm very well, thanks, Lester. I could certainly use a little extra sunshine right now, but where I live it's rarely cold enough for snow. Our winters are getting milder and our summers hotter, so global warming isn't all bad!