Clive Palmer's planned Titanic II


Albert Kramer

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Not long ago the Chinese had little modern experience of any kind of shipbuilding, but already they're making over a third of all new tonnage. They've shown themselves to be highly adaptable in learning new skills and entering into new areas of production, and though wage levels are increasing rapidly their labour costs are still very low compared especially with the western nations. For decades we've become increasingly reliant on them to sell us the cheap consumer goods that we can no longer produce for ourselves at competitive levels of cost. And now that goes for ships too. The Chinese produce good (if not the most refined) products at rock bottom prices, and if Clive Palmer ever does launch his project that's what he'd need to be looking for. He might then need to move his ship elsewhere to get the passenger areas fitted out to anything like Titanic standards of refinement (if that's part of the plan), and that aspect won't come cheap.
from what i read palmer has a ton of good connections with the chinese, and ill gurentee he will get the actual ship built for dirt cheep. but the interiors he will have to pay through the nose for, but if this ship is suppost to be the flagship of his new fleet of commercial ships, then its going to be worth it. I'm willing to bet anything he is going to build titanic 2 at a loss at first, (this acured to me last night btw) because while it will most defiantly draw attention, people will likely see its limitations in terms of comfort and modern attractions, and opt to go on his other, more modern ships...

makes sense if you really think about it!
 

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Titanic 2 will be built in China

Few weeks ago there is a news report says that RMS Titanic would be built in Jin Ling shipyard,China.Australian mining billionaire Clive Palmer plans to build a 21st-century replica of the Titanic and sail it from England to New York accompanied by the Chinese navy by the end of 2016.
 

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I saw this discussion and I instantly signed up to join in.

I just want to say in a kind way to the people who are saying it will be disrespectful to the people who died and that it wont live up to original Titanic due to the design changes that will occur in the new version.

I personally believe this will be a tribute to the people who lost there lives that night, kinda like the twin tower remake, not meant to be a gesture for disrespect but meant to be a tribute to the people who lost there lives in these two events.

Design change argument, the twin towers are being remade, the design looks NOTHING like the original twin towers, they needed to change it to make the buildings much safer and also look more modern. Now the Titanic, the design has to be modified to make the ship safer than the original, just like the Twin towers design had to be changed to make it safer (thicker concrete walls, windows that can not shatter, filtered ventilation etc). The Titanic's new design will now have (proper watertight doors, more lifeboats, wielded hull etc)

The Entertainment argument, the Titanic II will probably have the entertainment they had on the original Titanic, that is what makes it unique out of the other cruise ships, all other ships have shopping malls, water pools etc. Trust me 100%, nobody will be bored on the Titanic II, everyone will be either pulling of a "King of The World Moment" or "Rose and Jack Moment" at the front of the ship, or a "Standing over the rail" moment at the back of the ship. If they have the maiden voyage on April 10th, I can assure you 100% that on the night of April 14th, everyone will be up to see if they will hit an iceberg or not. The Titanic II will be very entertaining.

A remake of a ship/building is not meant for disrespect towards the people who died. People who say that the Titanic is being made just for money, wasn't that also the intention of the original Titanic?

The Titanic II will also bring something fresh to the Cruise industry, all the ships we see today are big huge buildings, the Titanic II will go back to simplicity, if the Titanic II does not fit your taste, there are other cruises.
 
Instead of throwing millions down the drain for a new loose Titanic-replica, why don´t they built a floating hotel exactly like the original and pace it in a significant port (Southhampton, for instance). If they did so, the Titanic would not need o meet the SOLAS regulations and could be built as true to the original as possible. If people get bored because of the pedestrian accomodations (no private bathrooms in some staterooms) they can check out whenever they feel like to. In fact, the hotel could comprehend only the first class section of the ship. The rest of the space could be left for flooding mechanisms and pumps in order to recreate the sinking every once in a while.
The ship could be sunk well below the point of no return and later raised by the means of the pumps. Passengers could in fact be evacuated like they were in 1912.
 

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Building a stationary version would be almost as hard as building a ship. Imagine the regulations that would have to be complied with. Think fire safety, disabled access, structural strength, etc.

Given Clive Palmer's recent erratic conduct. I'll be surprised if his scheme comes off. I think he'll eventually find an excuse to abandon it. Have a look at the Aussie press for news of his antics.
 

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Instead of throwing millions down the drain for a new loose Titanic-replica, why don´t they built a floating hotel exactly like the original and pace it in a significant port (Southhampton, for instance). If they did so, the Titanic would not need o meet the SOLAS regulations and could be built as true to the original as possible. If people get bored because of the pedestrian accomodations (no private bathrooms in some staterooms) they can check out whenever they feel like to. In fact, the hotel could comprehend only the first class section of the ship. The rest of the space could be left for flooding mechanisms and pumps in order to recreate the sinking every once in a while.
The ship could be sunk well below the point of no return and later raised by the means of the pumps. Passengers could in fact be evacuated like they were in 1912.
That's what I been thinking about, if I ever get rich, I would love to do something like this because like you said, just put in at a port and make it a hotel.

You would have to have more exits and entrances to the Titanic for fire exits etc but other than it, it probably can happen.

You don't have to follow SOLAS regulations since it wont be a cruise ship, but about the sinking mechanism, the best way to do this is create a museum and have parts of the titanic recreated (like the 3rd class hallway) and people will enter it and start filing it with water but it will only go up to your knees. That will be the best and safe way to teach people about the sinking of the Titanic.
 

Anna Simpson

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I don't like the idea of naming another ship Titanic. Would you name another hurricane Katrina?
Just Saying.
 

Michael Smith

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I don't like the idea of naming another ship Titanic. Would you name another hurricane Katrina?
Just Saying.
That's like comparing apples to oranges.

They named the new twin towers the same name? did people complain? yes, but in the end its a tribute to the people who died that day.

Same with Titanic, they are going to name it the same, but its a tribute to the people who died that day.

I personally don't see a problem with naming it Titanic II unless its meant in a disrespectful way, than no, I do not approve. But its not, Palmer didn't say that he is going to build this and ram it into an iceberg to recreate the tragedy. All he wants to do is put the Titanic back in service to honor the people who died.
 
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>>You don't have to follow SOLAS regulations since it wont be a cruise ship<<

For a stationary exhibit, SOLAS would indeed not be an issue, however building codes would be. Just on all the wood alone, there would be serious issues meeting fire codes, then there is the question of disabled access which Dave mentioned. Trading away one set of laws just means you have to comply with something different, and just as tough!
 

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Great news (for the people who approve of the remake), Palmer has now showed the design on the Titanic 2, the only differences are that it will be 1 meter wider then the original for stability and will include "proper life boats", safety chutes and slides on an extra "safety deck" to make it compliant with today's regulations.

The drawings released today depict nine decks complete with first, second and third class, officer and crew accommodation.
From deck D upwards, engineers Deltamarin have managed to keep the public rooms, passenger stairs, cabins and features in similar locations as in the original ship.
The board of his shipping company Blue Star Line is yet to approve the final design.

Here is the design:

I am so excited!
 

Meikel

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I don't really get that whole "safety deck" thing. Does that mean that Titanic II will have one deck more that the RMS Titanic had?
 

Michael Smith

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I don't really get that whole "safety deck" thing. Does that mean that Titanic II will have one deck more that the RMS Titanic had?
Yes, Its for the lifeboats, they are also going to be having lifeboats on the boat deck as well (as far as what I saw)

It doesn't look like the Titanic II is any taller then the original, they just took advantage of the space that was already there and added in a safety deck.

I consider this an improved version of the Titanic, its not exactly like the Titanic but an improved version.

From d deck down, all the cabins and everything will be where it was on the Titanic.

The one thing I am confused about is that they still have coal rooms, even though the engines will run on diesel?

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Meikel

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Thanks for the explanation!

From d deck down, all the cabins and everything will be where it was on the Titanic.
That's curious. I thought it would be the other way around: The upper Decks (Boat, A, and B Deck) would be the same, as those were mostly first class.
D deck downward is also first class, but also includes third class areas... I would have thought that these areas would be changed the most!
 

Michael Smith

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Thanks for the explanation!



That's curious. I thought it would be the other way around: The upper Decks (Boat, A, and B Deck) would be the same, as those were mostly first class.
D deck downward is also first class, but also includes third class areas... I would have thought that these areas would be changed the most!
Well, the whole ship changed all over, they added more stairs to the ship, in the first class they now have a casino.

I was wrong about the D- Deck, here is the quote "From deck D upwards, engineers Deltamarin have managed to keep the public rooms, passenger stairs, cabins and features in similar locations as in the original ship."

If you look at the design docs, the cabins for D-Deck down do look like they are at the same place like the original.
 

Meikel

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Am I getting this right? They plan to have public spaces inside the funnels?

And the safety deck, are the lifeboats there stored inside the hull?
 

Michael Smith

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Am I getting this right? They plan to have public spaces inside the funnels?

And the safety deck, are the lifeboats there stored inside the hull?
Yes, by the looks of it, the public can now go to the top of at least the first two funnels, I don't see anything for the other two funnels.

Picture:

For the lifeboats, yea, I believe they are stored inside the hull by what I see, then a davit or something will bring it out to the water.

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So, on the Wikipedia entry for this project it says about Titanic II: "The length of the replica is the same as that of the original ship, but it will be 4.2 metres (13 ft 9 in) wider and its draught will be smaller by 3 metres (9 ft 10 in). The preliminary gross tonnage of the replica is around 65,000, considerably more than that of the original". (Replica Titanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

So now I see how that safety deck thing fits in. However, I'm curious about her "looks". She might appear very different than Titanic.
 

Michael Smith

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So, on the Wikipedia entry for this project it says about Titanic II: "The length of the replica is the same as that of the original ship, but it will be 4.2 metres (13 ft 9 in) wider and its draught will be smaller by 3 metres (9 ft 10 in). The preliminary gross tonnage of the replica is around 65,000, considerably more than that of the original". (Replica Titanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

So now I see how that safety deck thing fits in. However, I'm curious about her "looks". She might appear very different than Titanic.

I don't believe the safety deck will make the Titanic 2 look drastically different, I just cant wait to see a 3d design photo and see what the Titanic 2 looks like.
 

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TITANIC II width

I don't know if its me or Palmer that's confused here...but here goes...according to Palmer the Titanic II will be 4 ft wider for added stability...now here's the kicker...4 feet wider means that Titanic II would be 96 ft wide, not 105 ft. Perhaps he got the metric and customary units confused...because 4 meters wider makes sense...Titanic was 28 meters wide (92 ft) but 4 meters wider (32 meters) is 105 ft (not 96 ft). Anyone else catch this?