Comparison of the Three PAs


John Clifford

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Great picture, Jim.

I was lucky to get a mounted POSEIDON ADVENTURE movie poster, and had it signed by three members of the cast, and the music composer. That was in March 2000.

BTW, Jim,
for "Towering Inferno", I remember the totem falling over, during the "blow up the water tanks to flood the building" scene (several of the men had to drown in that scene: "Poseidon" tribute?).

I don't recall the totems in "Time Ran Out", as I tuned in just before the "the road is blocked, we must now proceed, on foot, around the crevice" scene, but I did enjoy seeing the lava chunks shot "cannonball style" at the hotel (i.e. "Good bye Veronica Hamel and Company)".

Interesting to mention Christina Applegate. Do you think that, somewhere, somebody has the episodes of the less-than-one-season aired "Heart of the City": Widowed father works the graveyard shift as a policeman so that he can stay home and care for his teen aged son and daughter.
Christina Applegate played the oh-so-sweet and loveable daughter, and she was "100% the opposite of Kelly Bundy". "Heart" was aired in, I think, 1985, before "Married With Children".

Yes, I admit I watched too much television in the 1970s and 1980s.

Now we'll have to, also, get copies of the CREEPSHOW films, especially the first film, when we saw the demise of Adrianne Barbeau's Wilma ("Just call me Billie. Everybody else does") "coming a mile away", but it is fun, nonetheless to note that Ted Danson, Leslie Nielsen, and Chris "Al Bundy" O'Neill get killed (Chris is killed off in the first segment, the one where a drunken Viveca Lindfors is also killed, after having the graveside conversation, and the end has the matron decapitated and a candle placed on her head).
I also remember seeing CREEPSHOW 2 at the theater, and everyone coming out repeating "Thanks for the ride, lady", from the last segment.
 

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Christina Applegate who portrayed Kelly Bundy in Married With Children would have been great as Nonnie in the Poseidon Adventure.By any chance did any of you see the Married With Children episode when Al and Peg Bundy win a cruise in a radio contest and the cruise ship turns out to be a old tub of a ship.The plot also had a lot of fat people aboard the ship and one fat woman with a blowtorch opens a hole on the bottom deck of the ship thinking that there is food beneath that deck but instead it is the hull that she has cut open and the ship starts to sink.When Al Bundy finds out that the ship is sinking he looks at Peg and says "Thanks for getting us aboard the Titanic.To me this is a very funny episode.
 

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>Christina Applegate who portrayed Kelly Bundy in Married With Children would have been great as Nonnie in the Poseidon Adventure.

Imagine her using this actual Married With Children line (originally directed at Bud) at James Martin:

Nonnie: James, they haven't grown a forest deep enough yet to produce a girl who'd be willing to date you. But, maybe you've set your sights to high, aiming for a LIVE girlfriend. Why don't you start with a nice dead girl, and work your way up. Yes, that's it... date the dead.

or

Nonnie: Let's just suppose that there was a man on board this ship...let's call him Tim Martin....anyway, this guy is so unappealing that even cats won't let him pet them. Now, he can either go on dialing phone sex numbers and calling himself "Senor Pablo, U.N. Diplomat," or he can learn that if YOU find yourself attractive, other people will, too...

Martin: (Angrily, in Spanish accent) Senor Pablo is not happy.

CREEPSHOW: Ah yes, a fun film, but when it comes to anthology horror movies, for me it will always be Trilogy of Terror and I accept no substitutes! Karen Black and that Zuni Fetish Doll represent, perhaps, the high point of the genre. I also enjoy Tales From The Crypt, with Joan Collins, a husband she murdered on Christmas Eve, a psycho on the loose dressed as santa, and an irritating daughter who REALLY wants to see santa. (No reward if you guess how those plot elements pull together) Night Gallery, with Joan Crawford stealing Tom Bosley's eyes, and Roddy McDowell, the haunted painting, and "Mr. Portafoy," is a must-see as well.

>Al and Peg Bundy win a cruise in a radio contest and the cruise ship turns out to be a old tub of a ship.

Yes....they end up locked in their cabin along with Jefferson and Marcy. The sinking of the ship begins when the convention of fat women aboard (for a weight loss seminar) storms the buffet, initiating a capsize. The ship finally sinks, when as you said, the watertight integrity is compromised by a blowtorch. The cast members end up adrift, and lost at sea, with Gilbert Gottfried, the annoying comedian.

>Do you think that, somewhere, somebody has the episodes of the less-than-one-season aired "Heart of the City":

I'd be willing to bet it. If you look on YouTube, as I just did, you'll see the commercial for it! If I was able to find the episode of the Jackson 5 Variety show (only 4 episodes of which aired) featuring Carrol O'Connor in formalwear singing "Take The A Train" with the Jackson 5, then you KNOW "Heart" must exist somewhere. The Jackson show aired before home video cassettes, yet some desperate, wealthy, soul taped it on the old format reel-to-reel videotape. "Heart" aired during the home video boom and so stands an infinitely better chance of surviving in collector's hands.
 

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I know this is an ANCIENT thread but I just have to thank Jim Kalafus for giving me the best laugh of the day with his hilarious account of TPA. I love the film, know it word for word scene for scene, inane line after inane line, ADORE Sharon Tate Zombie Woman, Cousin Itt Girl and all the rest. Personal fave has to be the woman in blue toga with the horrendous blonde-grey wig who topples over the rail during the capsize scene. Her rather rough face can be glimpsed behind the Rogos dragging with hideous relish on a cigarette during the "To love, dummy" scene. I'm still convinced she is a man in drag!

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Blue toga woman. I'll have to look for her. I always get a lump in my throat when I see the about-to-die-but-doesn't-know-it extra in the dining room longshot who is alone on the dance floor looking for a partner, doesn't find one, and is last seen spinning by herself.

And, "Suzanne Somers Lookalike in Op-art Wildly Pattered Pantsuit Who ALMOST Succeeds in Chinning Herself Up On to the Suspended Table"...so near yet so far. Just a LITTLE more upper body strength and she'd still be with us. A sad portrait of futility.

"Ethnic Looking Woman Who Turns Out To Be Florence From 'The Jeffersons' Sister Frieda" is another scene stealer. No dialogue...but along with Babe in Blue is one of Scott's better looking table companions.

How 'bout that TRULY ugly couple right up against the left side of the bandstand! They look like tourists who blundered into the shot- they're not even in formalwear!

Them there is a REALLY mean and hard looking extra, seen post capsize, in a purple gown, who looks like Dulcinea in a REALLY bad dinner theatre production of Man of la Mancha.

Surely you've seen Larry Tate on the dance floor, as well as country singer Charlie Pride?

And then there is Annoying Voiced Dubbed Idiot Woman who pops on to the sound track during the dining room parts "The water's coming in. Help me. Help MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

>I love the film, know it word for word scene for scene, inane line after inane line,

Our numbers are legion, my friend.
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The film is probably the only one in the disaster cycle (except for Earthquake) to improve with each viewing. I'd love to see deleted scenes!
 
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I love the film, know it word for word scene for scene, inane line after inane line
David,

As you can see, we are an endless fountain of ideas and commentaries on the classic TPA. Such discussions drive you to want to love and hate the film at the same time.

Masculine "woman-in-blue" appeared like a stunt man that didn't quite make it to the entire sense credulity of the female part that he was momentarily portraying (didn't female stunt people exist at that time?). Although this break-through of "manhood" is quite easily noticeable, I don't think it cheapens the shot as much as adds a charming spurt of hilarity, much like a subtle tongue-in-cheek point of comic relief.

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How 'bout that TRULY ugly couple right up against the left side of the bandstand! They look like tourists who blundered into the shot- they're not even in formalwear!
Same effect as the "masculine" woman-in-blue above. It's one of those quaint little clips that went unnoticed, was hoped would go unnoticed, or left for the purpose of generating that tiny burst of giggling.

By the way, Dave, welcome to the site. I'm sure you'll enjoy reading the virtually endless threads on topics from everything to everything.

As for the thread being "ancient," some discussions go quiet for long periods of time, but, as you can see, they don't really end.
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Take care!​
 

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Thanks Jim and Mark for the warm welcome!

Female stunt women were around at the time, they were uncredited in the actual film credits but a few of their names are featured on imdb on the full list of credits. They were few and far between though - remember the buxom Dolly Parton lookalike who dies about 4 awful deaths in the capsize - I recall her being crushed by the piano then a few seconds later sliding by grasping at table cloths and still again doing a fly-by screaming "noooooooo....!" with her skirts flying up.

I *think* the flowery pants suit woman is the same girl with bloodied gash on forehead who hangs upside down *SPLAT* in the post-capsize scenes. What a thankless role! The blood must have been rushing to the poor woman's head! Still I remember reading that she turned up to one of the recent annual screenings of the film and received a standing ovation when her *SPLAT* closeup appeared briefly onscreen!

Carol Lynley recalled in the special edition commentary that Irwin Allen became so incensed that the extras were trying to escape filming of the flooding of the ballroom that he locked the stagedoors so that they couldn't get out!

Jim - I'm not sure if any deleted scenes are kept in the Fox archives. You would think they would have ended up on the special edition like the SE of The Towering Inferno which had alot of never-before seen stuff. I do have a facsimile copy of the final shooting script and there were no actual scenes there that didn't make it into the film, however several had been considerably trimmed. My personal "must-see" would be Martin and Nonnie's appalling yet must-see for stomach-churning purposes "smooch" in the barber shop. If you haven't read the script I'm happy to copy down the lines from this scene that didn't make it into the final film - they are truly ehhh!

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I know one scene existed that didn't make it into the final incarnation: After the capsize, the body of one officer (the purser?) was noticed under a piece of fallen structure. I know it existed because it is on the back panel of my DVD. Did Irwin film an alternate scene where the purser dies in the turn-over? The body is definitely wearing an officer's coat having stripes around the sleeves, hmmm.
 

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>My personal "must-see" would be Martin and Nonnie's appalling yet must-see for stomach-churning purposes "smooch" in the barber shop.

I can't imagine that. It's quite a horrible thought, really:

Nonnie: (In brain-damaged monotone) Snip, snip.
(Restored footage inserted)
Martin: You know, even though we only met 45 minutes ago, I've developed strong feelings for you, Nonnie.
Nonnie: (Pauses, then....) Did you like my music?
Martin: You could be the next Mary McGregor, or Terry Gibbs.
Nonnie: (melts into his arms) Helen Reddy?
Martin: Or better!
Nonnie: Will you....stay with me?
Martin: You couldn't lose me if you tried. Could you be....happy....as the wife of a habedasher?
Nonnie: (Stares blankly)
Martin: I can go all night like a lumberjack.

Cut to reaction shots by Mike and Linda, who have been listening outside the door the entire time.

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Okay, so what was the actual dialogue?
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>I *think* the flowery pants suit woman is the same girl with bloodied gash on forehead who hangs upside down

I always thought so.

The couple who appear to be "making out" across two chairs as Linda, Rogo, and Scott fall over the table~ is one of them Cousin Itt Girl?

Is Terry the guy who falls into the skylight? I'm never sure.

You HAVE noticed that Ernest Borgine ad-libs "The F Word" as they begin moving the tree?

VERY noticeable on video, and hardly noticeable on DVD, is the bit of ambient noise that makes Gene Hackman seem to 'break wind' during the "To Love, Dummy" sequence. On the old video release, one of Hackman's shots is considerably cropped...and as he delivers a line of dialogue he shifts in his chair simultaneous to a....gassy....blat... on the soundtrack. Once you notice it, it is quite funny. On DVD, with different cropping, the sound simply becomes room noise.

I never noticed Dolly Parton's multiple deaths....I'll have to look again.
 
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Is Terry the guy who falls into the skylight? I'm never sure.
Yes. As a matter of fact, that shot so impressed everybody that it launched the actor's career as a stuntman, which is what he is still doing today. I don't remember his real name, but he was hesitant at first but decided to do it for the sake of the movie. He got into it instantly.

As a matter of fact, the same guy appeared in The Towering Inferno as another character who supposedly died in similar fashion.

Oh, how that guy must have been excited to have found his niche!​
 

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Will- Born in 1940, Terry was a little long in the tooth to be hitting on Susan, born 1953, but little else is known about this character other than that he had an odd accent and that at the moment the ship capsized, for some reason, Susan had found herself under their table~ shades of Paulette Goddard....but his alter-ego, Ernie Orsatti, the scion of a well connected Hollywood family, has a much easier bio to trace.

He began his acting career with a role in what was perhaps the best remembered family values classic of the 1960s ~ The Acid Eaters (1968)~ and did stunts in John Wayne's The Green Berets the same year. He is still working in the industry.

But, what became of Eric "Robin" Shea? A now-defunct Poseidon site, pondering the mystery of his MIA status "computer aged" a 1972 photo of him to show his probable appearance ca. 2002 and created a missing person poster, but he was not located. In addition to The P.A., Shea shone in two other iconic 1970s performances. At the start of the decade he played The Male Escort who Bobby pays .50 to 'date' the dateless troll that was his sister Cindy on The Brady Bunch. At the decade's close, he appeared on the infamous "Bunny" episode of Little House on the Prairie~ although to be honest I cannot now recall if it was the episode in which arch-villain Nellie Oleson rides Bunny (Laura's horse)into a tree and paralyzes herself, or the even more heartwarming episode in which Bunny runs into a barb wire fence and has to be 'put down.' Either way, it indicted that a bright future lay ahead for young Robin....I mean, Eric....and then he vanished.
 
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I got it, Jim. Here it is: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0650683/

As for Eric Shea, he has been out of the business for years and lives and works in central California. He disappeared from the limelight cast over TPA, basically, because he claimed he wanted nothing more to do with the legend or the others involved. He started a new life and prefers that over the one he had had as a child.
 

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I also remember Eric Shea from his role as Lucilee Ball's youngest son in "Yours, Mine, and Ours", then for a year-and-a-half as Samantha Eggar's son in the TV series "Anna and the King" (1971-1973) the continuing story version of "The King and I (with Yul Brynner and Keye Luke).

I remember on one episode of "Anna and the King" a single woman chooses to sell her baby (Samantha Eggar's Anna Leonowens finally convinces her not to), and my Second Grade Elementary School teacher, Mrs. Howe, played one of several ladies trying to bid for the baby.
 

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What part of central California does he reside in? I live on the coast near Pismo Beach. I hope you don't mean the central valley-bleeech-too hot! WILL
 

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Ok get ready for some truly nausea-inducing dialogue! This is the extended scene with Nonnie and Martin in the barber shop as written (and supposedly filmed) by Stirling Silliphant for the third revised and final shooting script.

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MARTIN: You will go on. We do, you know. We have to. (a long beat) At first we don't think it's possible. But in time, in time, you'll find other things, other people. Someone else to care for, you'll see.

[This is where the scene is cut in the film - DP]

NONNIE: Did you...ever lose someone you love?

MARTIN: I never had anybody to lose...except my parents and I was too young to remember them. (a beat) But I've thought about it - how it might be.

(He takes her close to him, comforting her like a child. She has stopped crying now. Martin holds her, her head on his shoulder, gently stroking her hair with his free hand. She turns her face towards his)

NONNIE: Why do people always kiss when they say goodbye?

MARTIN: (firmly) Who's saying goodbye? We're certainly not saying goodbye!

NONNIE: I didn't mean that. I meant, why don't they also kiss when they first meet - when they say hello?

MARTIN: Not a bad idea - but - you how conventional most of us are.

NONNIE: (simply) I'm not conventional. Far from it. May I kiss you "hello"?

(In the most natural way, they kiss. It's taken vulnerable Nonnie to bring shy Martin out of his shell)

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Thank goodness it was cut out! I can't imagine anything worse than seeing old Red Buttons slapping a wet one on Carol Lynley! I'm sure they were just as relieved - apparently behind the scenes they disliked each other intensely! The script is available to download online, I've forgotten where I found it, but if you google "poseidon adventure revised shooting script" it should bring it up. Definately worth it for the diehard fans!

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Mark-Thanks for the info. Should've just popped over to IMDB in the first place-got it on the favs list in my computer. As to talent, you hopefully never know how they feel about one another off screen, or they're doing a poor job. I always did think it was an odd casting choice (Carol Lynley) since, if I recall correctly, in the book the Martin character had a shipboard fling with a "spinster" about his age, and she is still in her cabin when the rollover occurs, and is drowned. They translated the date of the event from the day after Christmas to New Year's Eve, so heck, just bring that character along for the ride too. You can even keep the diologue from Mrs. Rosen, just add in a few covert, knowing glances between Martin and the 'spinster'. WILL
 

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