David Beux assistant waiter

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Emmanuel Beux

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Hello,

I am frensh. I live in Paris. I am sorry for my not perfect english, so i will try to right English.

My name is Emmanuel Beux. I am 32. I discovered that a waiter assistant dided in the sinking. He was 26, italian native, and lived 6 beauchamp place - London.
No more.

I thank evryone can tel me more about David BEUX (it was his name).
 

Shane Kurup

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Hello Emmanuel,

I am guessing that David Beux is related to you in some way, hence the surname.

Here's what to do. On this site there are biographies of every person who sailed on Titanic. If you go to the first page of this site, and type in the search box " David Beux" and then press search, his name will come up. Click on it and ot will have his info there.

The biography doesn't really have much in it, but if you write to Brian Ticehurst at the British Titanic Society, he will probably have a lot of information about David.
Another person you could ask is Geoff Whitfield. Post a message, under his name explaining what you want. Hope this helps! If you need anymore help, just ask!

Shane Kurup
 

Shane Kurup

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Sorry Emmanual!,

didn't realize you already seen his biography!
Try the last two options I gave you.

Regards,

Shane Kurup
 
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Hi Everybody.

I'm a 19 year-old French called Franck GAVARD PERRET, from the "Association Française du Titanic" (A.F.T).
A member of ET wrote a few months ago something about David Beux. We wanted some informations about him.
Was David Beux French ? In fact, I consulted several lists called the "French's of the Titanic", but there isn't any David Beux about them. That's why I'm amazed...
Can anybody tell us some informations about this person, please ?

Thanks for your time and your comprehension,

Best regards,

Franck
 

Bob Godfrey

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Hallo again, Franck. David Beux is assumed to be Italian because that's what he claimed to be when he signed on for the voyage. The 'particulars of engagement' for the restaurant staff show his age as 26 and his nationality as 'Italy', alongside his signature. That doesn't necessarily mean he was born in Italy. But apart from his name, is there any evidence to suggest that he was born in France?
 
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for your help.

In fact, I thought David Beux was French because :
1) Many people called "Beux" are in the French inventory called "Annu" (just like "Directory" in Great Britain)
2) The Italian first name is in fact "Davide", contrary to "David", which is the French spelling.

Many thanks,

Kind regards,

Franck
 

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Thank you, Franck. It does seem very likely that he was of French (or possibly Swiss or Belgian) ancestry, and from the spelling of his first name that his parents at least were not Italian-born. David is also of course the English spelling, so another possibility is that he actually was Davide, but after moving to London he had anglicised the spelling, which was a common practice for immigrants to the US or Britain.

There were of course many among the restaurant staff (especially in the kitchens) who were undoubtedly French - about 18, I think. Do you have plans to research all of them? There is certainly a need for more information about these men as individuals, and you and other members of the AFT are well-placed to provide it.
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Dear Bob,

I thank once again for your answer.

How many french's were in the restaurant staff ?
Of course the AFT has ever worked about it (personally, I only made some researches about COUTIN)
According to the sources from my own collection, 16 people were undoubtedly French in the A la Carte Restaurant.
I'll try to have more informations thanks to the other AFT members.

Please, also notice that 51 French's were on board. We don't know yet if J. De Grasse, who was on board from Southampton to Cherbourg, was French. Besides, do you know something about him ?


Best regards,

Franck
 

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Franck, I just checked Craig Stringer's database CD (Titanic People), which shows 2 assistant waiters (DeBreucq and Piatti), 1 plateman (Blumet), 1 clerk (Mauge) and 14 chefs/cooks. Total 18.

I don't know much about James De Grasse, but he certainly wasn't French. He was an Englishman, born in London. His parents were James and Anne. From the name, the family must at some point have come from across the Channel, but maybe a long time back - like my own name, which originates from Normandy and came across in the 11th century with William the Conqueror. But we long ago forgot the words to La Marseillaise! :)
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Hi Bob,

Thank you very much for your answer and the informations concerning De Grasse.
I didn't know his nationality, as I did'nt know his first name.
yes you're right, there are some Godfrey in France, especially in Haute-Normandie and basse-Normandie.
Personally, my own home is far away from Normandie, as I live near Geneva, next to the Swiss border.

Concerning the restaurant staff :

1) Piatti did'nt seem to be French. this is an Italian name and I don't see any Piatti among my "French's of the Titanic" own list.

2) Judging by my own collection and several issues called "Latitude 41", from the AFT, undoubtedly French people register in the A La Carte Restaurant were :

- G. Bietrix
- J-B. Blumet
- A. Chaboisson
- M. Cornaire
- A. Coutin
- M. Debreucq
- L. Desvernine
- L. Dornier
- H. Jaillet
- C. Janin
- G. Jouannault
- P. Maugé
- J-B Pachéra
- P. Rousseau
- A. Vicat
- P. Villvarlange

TOTAL : 16

You told me Maurice Debreucq (I agree), Jean-Baptiste Blumet (I agree too), Paul Maugé (I agree once again). Could you send to me your own list,containing 18 people. We could compare and I would be very interested in this way.

Please, also notice that there was a French man registered in the Titanic crew too, called Paul Georges Lefebvre. He didn't survive the sinking.

Many thanks,

Best regards,

Franck
 
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Hi Bob,

I tried to find via "Google.com" something dealing with Louis Piatti. Nothing really happened. I tried with another spelling : Luigi Piatti and I found some better lists and the very interesting following article, taken from Encyclopaedia-Titanica.

best wishes,

Franck
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Italians shipwrecked

Friday 19 April 1912

Page 5

[Translation]

London, 17 April, night

Italians aboard the Titanic numbered more than 50: two restaurant's directors L. Gatti, 36 years, and F. Scavino, two superintendents, Giuseppe Bochet, from savoy and Nannini: 17 waiters, 17 assistants some butlers, besides more than a dozen of waiters transferred from Olympic to Titanic at the last moment, and of those the names are unknown.
Here are the names of the waiters and of the assistants belonging to Titanic's crew:
Luigi Zarracchi, 26 years; F. Nannini 42; Montello; Pompeo Piazza 30; Roberto Urbino of 22; Ernesto valvassori 37; N. Bazzi 33; E. Ratti 23; C. Casali of 32; Gino Sesia of 34; G. Basilico 25; R. Vioni 32; V. Gilardini 31; V. Banfi 25; E. Poggi 26; E. De Napoli 24; L. Crovetto 17; Antonio Allaria 22; Battista Bernardi 22; Luigi Piatti of 17; Giovanni Saccaggi 24; Abele Rigozzi 22; G. De Martino 20; brothers A. and G. Peracchi, the first of 20 and the second of 18 years; G. Donati 19 years old; A. Pedrini 21; P. Rousseau, from savoy, of 49; G. Sachero 20; G. Monteverde 23; L. Desvernini 20; C. Levy 30; F. Bertoldi 24; F. Salussoli 25; E. Testoni 24; C. Sirtori, Angelo Rotta of 23; N. Bazzi, V. Pirotti, Giovanni Ferretti, Rinaldo Ricaldone of 24, G. De Marsico.
Italians colony in London is in consternation. Most of the shipwrecked were employed from year in the better hotels and restaurants of the city. Their family are afflicted, in anguish. A sad case is that one of the 22 years old waiter Urbino, that left unwillingly the very young wife that was pregnant and about to have the baby, last week.
The poor woman gave birth to a baby boy today. The relatives have charitably hid the terrible disaster from her.
Many of the waiters aboard the Titanic have wives and children in London, we hope that they were saved. The prominent men of the colony are thinking about a subscription for their families.
I have phoned to the White Star office in Southampton and learned that among the survivors picked by Carpathia there is the twenty years old waiter A. Peracchi [sic]. The fate of the others is unknown, but the fact that one is saved makes hope for the others.
We are waiting anxiously for new lists of the survivors. Among the crew there are no other italians. There is no italian name on the list, apart that one of a fireman John Podista, that from the news is an American citizen, but native of Italy.
Among the italian's passengers, in the last list sent from Carpathia there is only the name of Emilio Portalupi.[...]
 

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Hallo, Franck. My list of 18 is your 16 plus two - Piatti, who gave his first name as Louis and his nationality as French when signing on (see link below), and Giovanni Monteverde (assistant entree cook) who, despite the very Italian name, is again shown in the PoE list as French. Could be a clerical error, of course.

Lefebvre might have had a French father, but he signed on as British and gave his birthplace as London. I can't think of any others in the crew lists. It's surprising that there were no French chefs working in the kitchens.

The 'Particulars of Engagement' for the restaurant staff can be seen here:
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/pog/crew_pog_victual_alc.shtml
 
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Hi Bob,

The list you sent to me is very great, thanks.
I'm almost sure that Giovanni Monteverde was not French but Italian.
I will ask Olivier Mendez about the nationalities of :
- Luigi/Louis Piatti
- Giovanni Monteverde
- David/Davide Beux

Concerning Lefebvre, I know he was born at Havre, France, on 1876, as he was 35 in 1912.
Many informations about the Titanic are available here : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/titanic/
I'm in love with that fantastic site, illustrated, without any errors as the author is a Titanic erudite man.

Nevertheless, you need a password if you want to reach the page called "Les Français du Titanic". That's why you must be an AFT member. if it's not the case, you can join us...
Are you a BTS member ?

if it's the case, mail Alain Dufièf, the author. He's, of course, the only man allowed to give to somebody the password.
Sorry, the website is not translated in English.

Best regards,

Franck
 

Bob Godfrey

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Franck, what is the source for your information on Lefebre? Do you have any more details - parents' names, exact date of birth?

Yes, the French website is very comprehensive and I have found it useful - my French is not great, but good enough to be able to read it. I wouldn't agree 100% with everything there, but none of us gets everything right! No, I don't belong to the BTS, or any other group except ET - probably because it's free! :)

If Brian (Ticehurst) is reading this, hopefully he will join in. Brian's new article about the restaurant staff gives 17 as the number of French personnel. In case you haven't seen this very interesting article, it's here:
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/item/4770/
 
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Franck and Bob - Yes I have been keeping an eye on the names.
Actually in the Relief Fund book it lists just 12 French Crew and 6 French passengers who made claims and were awarded varying sums so I cannot give you a definitive list of the French on board.
Of course others would have made claims and not been awarded anything depending on circumstances.
Cheers Brian
 
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Dear Brian and Bob,

Thanks for all the details.

I mailed Oliver Mendez but he doesn't answer.
Concerning the Lefebvre, I don't know a lot of things, except he was born on September, 1876 at Le Havre, France.
A few informations are available on the site I told you last time, but you need the password in order to reach the page. If I tell you some informations without the author's permission, I would be probably erased of the AFT's list. Sorry.

Yet, if your French is OK, I think you'd better join us at AFT, as you'll learn many very interesting things about the French's of the Titanic (parents' names, exact date of birth, memorials, photographs...). Complete biographies about Omont, Maréchal, Chevré, Berthe Leroy, Maugé, Rousseau, and Mallet and Lefebvre families and many more are enjoyable.

My main sources concerning the French's are "Latitude 41" issues, published but AFT.

The AFT and I are almost sure the Restaurant Staff consisted of 16 French's.
Anyway, I'll be waiting for the Oliver Mendez's answer.

many thanks to both Bob and Brian.

Best regards,

Franck