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I find it super odd that of all the witness testimony nothing ever came up about the decor of the Titanic and how it differed from the Olympic. I mean obv. this wasn't a concern in the initial years of investigating the disaster, but surely years down the road people would've been curious and asked the survivors?

For example, the floor tile colors or the upholstery in the 1st class smoking room... there doesn't seem to be a definite answer to what color these thingw were though I believe the idea is they were blue and red (in the smoking room) which would then negate the often shown colors from the Olympic. But why was this a mystery? Surely SOMEONE was in those rooms and remembered? With such grandeur and the disaster you'd think those details would be burned in your memory.

Does anyone have an answer to this?
 

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Also, if anyone knows any factuality to a story I read about furniture that washed up on Newfoundland shores after the incident. Allegedly a yellow couch and a red/pink upholstered chair washed up indicating they were from the Reading and Writing rooms also indicating that the room was forced open (as it was closed prior to the disaster) according to witness testimony and the furniture thrown overboard for floatation devices. Anyone know more about this?
 

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In the book: ''Voices From The Carpathia, Recusing RMS Titanic'' by George Behe, Various passengers from the Carpathia saw dozens of items in the sea such as cork, coffee beans, deckchairs, pillows,

Major Arthur Peuchen noticed on the Carpathia that a Barber's pole (presumably from the 1st Class Barbers on C Deck)

Harold Philmore was found by lifeboat 14 on a piece of staircase.

The ''Japanese'' Man 5th Officer Lowe nearly refused to pick up due to pretty racism was found ''tied to a door''.
 
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The problem with these kinds of investigations is that these facts aren't usually considered important until after the people who remember them are dead. What was the color of the house your grandparents lived in? What was the color of the upholstery in their first car? What kind of furniture did they have? You've probably never asked these questions, and you weren't preoccupied by the sinking of a famous ocean liner. Most of the sinking victims spent their interviews detailing the sinking itself.
 

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I actually could tell you all those details. My memory is quite sharp especially for details. Being on the ship days before the disaster I would've certainly remembered details of her decor
 

Harland Duzen

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Maybe he referred to Titanic falling apart due to bacteria so we see the inside of her minus obstuctions?
 

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Nobody wants to know what the carpets and upholstery looked like until (A) All the Olympic ships are gone and (B) they realize all the people who actually saw them are about to die.
At that point, the only people who remember the Titanic are so old they barely remember it.
 

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Hello JJAstorII..well lets get started. During the investigations the loss of life and how and why this great ship went to the bottom were always going take priority over what color the smoking room chairs were.However there were a lot of survivors who did recall what the interiors looked like and how blown away they were by them.A number of books and documentaries have these recollections.A few of the better ones are Titanic An Illustrated History, Triumph And Tragedy,The Ship Magnificent,and A Night To Remember.W. Lord gives some details of how certain rooms looked in that landmark book.Of course almost every Titanic book will provide some of these details.A great new venue to check out is the Titanic Honor And Glory which gives some very STUNNING recreations of almost every room possible, including 2nd and 3rd class.As for your question regarding the 1st class smoke room, the floor was a tile pattern of blue and red, with chairs upholstered in green leather.Of course Honor and Glory depict these chairs in burgundy.Almost every color illustration Ive seen always has the chairs in green.Unless someone proves me wrong Im inclined to go with the green. In addition to descriptions and photos, there are a number of period illustrations in color too.Again a lot of books will include these.I think Tim Turner's response of waiting 60 years was supposed to mean that after that amount of time your memory of colors, cars, and upholstery will be clouded over with age.Of everything Ive seen and read , survivors memories of the ship and its interiors seem to have been etched on their minds forever. Ruth Becker was able to recall the china and silverware when she was in her 80s.Another was able to recall what her cabin looked like well into her 80s ,to give a couple of examples.Hope any of this has helped somewhat.
 
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In terms of why Titanic: Honor & Glory went for Red upholstery was that the ships had different colours themes. The team theorise that Olympic was given a green theme (hence all surviving photos show green chairs) while Titanic had a red theme.
 
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Good to know. I think the burgundy chairs work better,considering the floor tiles were red and blue.Maybe the decorators thought of this too , since the colors were changed.
 

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Makes you wonder what Britannic's colour theme would have been had the Titanic not sank and had WW1 not happened.
 

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The Britannic would have been even more luxurious than the Titanic based on sketches and plans of her accomodation.I do know the floor in the Grand Staircase area would have had a ribbon pattern instead of the black and white pattern. Speaking of smoking room chairs, the 2nd class smoke room is depicted as having green and then red chairs. The Honor and Glory recreations show both. Im guessing that if the 1st class chairs were burgundy, then the 2nd class chairs must have been as well. Im also guessing based on the color illustrations of the other public rooms that their color schemes were the same on both ships.With the exception of the smoking room,Ive yet to run across any picture, depiction or written word that says otherwise.What are your thoughts on this?
 
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So to clarify:

Olympic: Green Chairs
Titanic: Red Chairs
Britannic: Red & Green Chairs?

Unfortunately, we can't be certain, but as Titanic Honor & Glory team said in their Britannic Video:

''...Third Class was given new entrances, Second Class would be given the luxury of their very own gymnasium. First Class Passengers would enjoy many new improvements. These included a larger A La Carte Restaurant and new Reception Room on B Deck, where the elite passengers would dine in unparalleled style. A Playroom, where children could play instead of using one of the Palm Courts on Olympic and Titanic. A lady's hair dresser salon, in addition to the Barber Shop. New Sitting Rooms were added on C-Deck as a result of the Pallor Suites having proved so popular on Olympic and Titanic. Keeping up with transient expectations, First Class would see the addition of many private bathrooms and washrooms for cabins. Although basic on Olympic and Titanic, the swimming pool on Britannic was to be completely redecorated to keep up with the trend of sumptuous swimming baths on German liners. Even the already luxurious spaces of the Grand Staircase were also improved. The Boat and A-Deck were modified to accommodate a Welt Pipe Organ...''

Daniel Klistorner, Titanic Historian, speaking in HMHS BRITANNIC SINKS - REAL TIME DOCUMENTARY
26th November 2016

Given all these improvements listed above in bold, it's evident they combined features from both previous vessels in the nautical version of Darwinian evolution: ''Only the most luxurious would survive''. Why not have both Red and Green Chairs?
 

Damon Hill

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I find it super odd that of all the witness testimony nothing ever came up about the decor of the Titanic and how it differed from the Olympic. I mean obv. this wasn't a concern in the initial years of investigating the disaster, but surely years down the road people would've been curious and asked the survivors?

For example, the floor tile colors or the upholstery in the 1st class smoking room... there doesn't seem to be a definite answer to what color these thingw were though I believe the idea is they were blue and red (in the smoking room) which would then negate the often shown colors from the Olympic. But why was this a mystery? Surely SOMEONE was in those rooms and remembered? With such grandeur and the disaster you'd think those details would be burned in your memory.

Does anyone have an answer to this?
I guess we could liken it a bit to the World Trade Center. In the immediate aftermath of that awful day, did anyone wonder what colour the chairs were in the Windows on the World restaurant? Did anyone wonder what, if any, picture or poster was on the eastern wall of the central core on the 37th floor? peoples initial concerns are safety and survival and then comes remembrance. most people are not very observant either I'm afraind :(
 

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I think you make a very valid point indeed. But to play devils advocate... I feel the focus of Titanic and the Olympic class ship in general was their luxury and design vs the World Trade Center which was business and commerce and being one of the largest buildings at the time. Since Titanic was on her maiden voyage and everything was brand new I feel people would focus on the decor and detailing and how it was different from her sister ship Olympic. Idk that’s just me I suppose, I’m a details person.
 
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In terms of why Titanic: Honor & Glory went for Red upholstery was that the ships had different colours themes. The team theorise that Olympic was given a green theme (hence all surviving photos show green chairs) while Titanic had a red theme.
I assumed the chairs were green like Olympic. Is there any evidence that they were red?