Did Moody commit suicide?

Toma

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Hello, dear forum members! I have just registered on ET, so for the time being I don’t know much about the system, and if I did something wrong, I apologize in advance. Perhaps this topic has already been raised earlier, but I still could not find the answer to my question: was there really an officer who shot himself on Titanic, and who could this officer be? I know that these are just guesses and fictions, but I just can’t accept the idea that Moody is recorded as a suicide! I just don't want to believe it. He could not do this: after all, his whole life was ahead, he was a man with a good sense of humor, he was a strong personality. I do not want to believe that Moody could have shot himself! What do you think about this?
P.S. If you have any articles about the sixth officer of the Titanic, please give me links. I cannot find these articles myself ... Thank you in advance!
P.S.S. Forgive me for my bad english.
 
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Brad Rousse

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Welcome to the board.

Unfortunately, facts do not care what we think or feel. So, if Moody shot himself... Moody shot himself.

You may be relieved to know that Moody is only a "candidate" because he was an officer lost in sinking and his body wasn't recovered. As far as we know he didn't have a gun, but he might have had his own sidearm for personal use as Lowe did. Murdoch or Wilde is usually fingered as the one who did it, if indeed there was a suicide at all.
 
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Michael H. Standart

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>>I know that these are just guesses and fictions, but I just can’t accept the idea that Moody is recorded as a suicide! I just don't want to believe it.<<

Reality doesn't care what we believe, what we want, or if it offends us. Like Brad said, if he man dropped the hammer on himself, then that's what he did. Now that much said, the following resource may be of some use to you. I know some of the guys who put this together and the followed the sources to wherever they led.


Shots in the Dark
 
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Steven Christian

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That was interesting read...Thanks. A lot of conflicting testimony but thats usually the case in something like this. 10 different witnesses all seeing the same thing and you'll get 10 different accounts.
 
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Michael H. Standart

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And to sweeten the pot, ALL of it could be wrong. It's possible. The problem is that it's all that we have.
 
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Steven Christian

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I agree that it could be all wrong. Next is just my opinion. I believe that there were probably warning shots fired at some point to try and maintain order. Enough people reported hearing gunshots that I think thats probably what happened but I have no proof of that. I would like to think that nobody did themselves in but who knows. I once work with a guy for twenty some years. I was really taken aback when told he drove into the desert and did himself in. He was suffering from severe clinical depression for years as I was told later. I had no clue he was suffering from that. He was a good guy and very good worker. So you never know.
 
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Toma

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I read somewhere that a crowd of panicked men pushed Moody overboard. Has anyone met such information? How reliable is it?
 
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Ioannis Georgiou

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No. Sounds more like a guess or made up story. Where did you find it?
 
Toma

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I do not even remember where I found this information. It seemed to me implausible, so I decided to clarify it here.
 
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Ioannis Georgiou

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I have never come up such a story even not when I search for information for my "Shots in the Dark" series I wrote several years ago. There is however the story that Bride and Boxhall saw Moody in the water with a gun shot wound. He swum to boat No. 4 where he was taken aboard and died there. Aside that this is the only known story no other researcher was able to find the primary source for this claim (Bride aboard collapsible B and Boxhall in boat No. 2 would have been unable to see such incident and no one in lifeboat No. 4 mentioned it.)
There is also a weak theory put forward by Murdoch Biographer Susanne Störmer that Moody committed suicide on the boat deck at lifeboat No. 16 but there is no single proof for it. (Also Moody did not had a firearm.)
 
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Aly Jones

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I would rule out Moody committing suicide. He was a junior officer with no gun. He wasn't responsible for what had happened that night as for he was a junior officer. He had no motive to killing himself. Besides he told officer Lowe he will get the next boat meaning he had intentions of leaving the ship to live. He also had a gf which he adored.

Lightoller took the suicide answer to the grave I'm affriad.
 
Arun Vajpey

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Lightoller took the suicide answer to the grave I'm affriad.

Why do you say that? Lightoller was on the port side and at the time the shots were heard from the starboard side, he would have been busy with the Collapsible B. Furthermore, how would Lightoller be able to tell from where he was if the shots were not fired into the air by one of his colleagues to discourage male passengers from rushing Collapsible A?

There have been a few candidates for the "officer suicide" enigma over the years and perhaps we will never know. In the chapter "Shots in the Dark" of his 1986 book The Night Lives On, Walter Lord hinted that Murdoch might have done it but in a TV interview that I saw in 1989 he had changed his mind and thought it was more likely Wilde. Wilde's wife had died not long before and so he had a reason to consider that action if he thought he was going to die anyway but that's only conjecture. I think of the 3 officers lost, Moody is the least likely to have committed suicide; as others have said, he probably did not even have a gun at the time.

One other possible candidate is Purser McElroy; there are reports that he had fired a shot into the air earlier that night and so had a gun. But I do not know if these reports are verifiable. McElroy's body was recovered but I am not sure what condition it was by then and whether anyone looked for bullet wounds.
 
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Ioannis Georgiou

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Why do you say that? Lightoller was on the port side and at the time the shots were heard from the starboard side, he would have been busy with the Collapsible B. Furthermore, how would Lightoller be able to tell from where he was if the shots were not fired into the air by one of his colleagues to discourage male passengers from rushing Collapsible A?

Actually Lightoller was on the roof and went to the starboard side afte collapsible B landet on the boat deck.

14048 “And coming over to the starboard side on the roof of the officers’ quarters, could you see any other officers?” – “I saw the First Officer working at the falls of the starboard emergency boat, obviously with the intention of overhauling them and hooking on to the collapsible boat on their side.”
14049 “The other collapsible boat?” - “Yes.”
14050 “That would be Mr Murdoch?” – “Yes.”


One other possible candidate is Purser McElroy; there are reports that he had fired a shot into the air earlier that night and so had a gun. But I do not know if these reports are verifiable. McElroy's body was recovered but I am not sure what condition it was by then and whether anyone looked for bullet wounds.

Purser McElroy is mentioned by Jack Thayer in his 1940 report. He is most likely mistaken (he also placed that incident on A Deck). However body No. 157 was that of Mr. McElroy. In his pockets were found the address of Mrs. McElroy, ship’s keys, 10 pence, 50 cents and a fountain pen, but no weapon and no cartridges for the case if he had to reload the revolver.
 
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Aly Jones

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I did read that lightoller told someone before his death that he knew who committed suicide that night.
 
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