Dining Aboard

Apr 11, 2001
Little late arriving on this one- yes- it is called a silver domed trolley. I had the pleasure of seeing these in that famous carvery in the Strand, Simpson's. The Savoy still has them too and they are primarily for roasts-got a photo somewhere....Mrs. Beeton's has an illustration.
Jan 28, 2003
"And still they gazed, and still the wonder grew,
That one small head could carry all he knew."
Bob, how DO you know such things? Anyway, passing over the gross calumny that I can match William Hague, pint for pint, I concede the argument, faced with such a battery of statistics.
"Can we be expecting him anytime soon?" "Not so long as the cigars and brandy hold out". Jack could have done her in oils ....

Jeremy Lee

Jun 12, 2003
>>The person that ran the restaurant, was it run by an independent company like the Ritz on the German liners, or was it White Star but employed 'outside' people?<<

As redirected by Bob, but anyway I have found that out - it was ran by Gatti.

Bob Godfrey

Nov 22, 2002
A few more statistics for you, Monica. Bearing in mind the large proportion of Americans in the Cabin Classes, it's notable that about 80% of Edwardian American men smoked at least one cigar a day, but a lot of them would have smoked only one per day - after dinner, of course. The actual per capita consumption figure for 1912 was less then 2 cigars per week. That means (very roughly) that about 5,000 would suffice for Titanic's voyage to New York and back, and the stock of 8,000 allowed a comfortable reserve.

Titanic also carried a stock of cigarettes and cut tobacco, but I don't know if the quantities are on record. In 1912 the demand for manufactured ciggies was about to take off but still relatively small, while the weight of cut tobacco sold for pipes and roll-ups would have been about equal to that of the cigars. I don't know whether White Star made any provision for the demand for chewing tobacco, which was still the biggest market. Any spitoons in the debris field? Chawing wouldn't have been encouraged in the 1st Class saloon, I suspect!

As for the wine supply, again the Restaurant had its own stock and this might not be included in the generally quoted figure of 1500 bottles in the White Star inventory. But some part of that supply might have been cheap plonk for the 3rd Class contingent, many of whom came from countries where wine rather than beer was favoured at all levels of society. Certainly there would be a likely demand for spirits as well as beer from the 3rd Class Bar, but I don't know whether any such demands were catered for. Does anybody know whether wines and spirits were available to 3rd Class passengers, and what, if anything stronger than water, could be obtained in the dining rooms?
Dec 7, 2000

There were indeed spittons on the Titanic. I have seen a few of these in photos of Olympic's 1st and 2nd class smoking rooms. I believe that Edith Rosenbaum, or was it Helen Candee that also made a (negative) comment about them.


Emilie Forest

Jan 28, 2004
I would like to know, why is it, that a person is so interested about the Titanic. I mean really fascinated, as if I had been there on the ship in 1912. Do you feel the same way? What are your reasons for your interest... I am french canadian and sure hope I do not make too many mistakes.
Jan 28, 2003
To be honest, Emilie, I don't know. I began by being interested in how such a disaster could befall such a large ship. It seemed silly. Then, as I learned more, it didn't seem so silly, but it did seem to be the sort of thing that human beings do all the time. They do their best to make things better, and it keeps going wrong. We do it all the time. We build the Aswan Dam, to improve the Egyptian economy, and then we are surprised when it destroys it. We are doing the same thing in China now. Something like the Titanic encourages you to think about these things. Lately, I must confess that I have been more interested in how those people lived. I don't ever feel I had been there in 1912, and I would not have wanted to be. But others on ET are interested in the technical aspects of how the ship sank - this is beyond me, I have to say. Don't worry about the English - you're doing just fine. Much better than I can in French. Il y a trente cinque ans que je l'ai appris a l'ecole. Is that right? I doubt it....

Lee Gilliland

Feb 14, 2003
Emilie, this group has some of the nicest people around - just keep on plugging, and you'll be fine. Like Monica, I was also originally intrigued by the actual disaster, but the minutiae of daily life back then has its own never-ending fascination...especially as it's still close enough to our time that we can still nail it down, while it's just far enough away that there's a piquancy to the facts.
Dec 2, 2000
Easley South Carolina
>>I would like to know, why is it, that a person is so interested about the Titanic.<<

I suppose it's a question of how something catches your interest and when. I became aware of it when I saw the 1953 movie, but later encountered A Night To Remember when I was in the 2cnd Grade. When I realized it was a real ship and not just a Hollywood story, I was hooked and it never really let go.

>>I mean really fascinated, as if I had been there on the ship in 1912. Do you feel the same way?<<

Errrr...no. I've never even had so much as a dream about it, much less some sort of deja vu sense of having been there. These days, the human story aside, most of my interest is of a technical nature, and if you wonder why that's the case, it helps to know that I'm a retired sailor who had a lifelong interest in maritime history anyway.

I hope that explains things.

Inger Sheil

Dec 3, 2000
Hallo Emilie -

I can't say that I've ever felt as if I was actually there. I've heard or read some folks describe the way in which they were drawn to the disaster in quasi-mystical or near religious terms, and for some the pull is inexplicable. I've never viewed it in anything like that light myself - Titanic is not my sole area of research interest. I won't go into great detail, but there are certain elements of life in Ancient Egypt during the Amarna period that intrigue me. A number of influential and interesting women emerged during the Tudor period that also have a draw. Irish history, particularly the War of Independence and the Civil War, resonate well both with my interest in the complexities of nationalism and my religious and cultural background. The American Civil War was the product of involved issues that are intriguing to contemplate, and involved men such as Abraham Lincoln and Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain that appeal to both my political background and love of language and ideas.

I tend to take be somewhat old-fashioned in my interest in historical personages rather than movements and wider forces, seeing the latter mainly through a fascination with the former. My interest in the Titanic is the combination of a number of identifiable factors, such as my environment (living by the sea engendered a love of the ocean and a fascination with ships and seafaring, and this naturally progressed into a focus on the crew of the Titanic) and the draw of the cultural and social mileau of the pre-WWI era.

It's not a big problem, but you've posted this in a specific thread regarding dining aboard the ship - that may hinder getting responses to your question. As you read into the history of the board, or if you do a search on the board in some of the more general topics, you'll find that many other people have come forward with reasons why they feel so drawn to this particular event.

I'm not sure what mistakes you're worried about making, but if it's your English you're concerned about I wouldn't be at all worried if I were you! Your meaning is coming across clearly in all your posts.
Dec 9, 2005
Hello everyone!, My best regards from Chile, I have a question I hope it could be answered. Bob said at the beginning that the passengers could find their way to their tables because it was posted somewhere, a kind of map/plan I imagine, so I could think that anybody knows where was exactly sitting each passenger, and who shared with him/her? I read for example that the Mr and Mrs allison shared table with Molson and Peuchen, that the Thayers were with the Captain in another table and Mr ismay? Can anybody help me?

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