Tarn Stephanos
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Do we know who was in which lifeboat and which lifeboats collapsed
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Mike Poirier
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Hi Tarn-
Well the most succesful officer was Arthur Rowland Jones, in getting away the boats. He was helped a bit by John Idwal Lewis, but most of Lewis's boats did not get away.
I have a good idea who was in 11,13,15 and a sketchy idea who was in 19 and 21. #1 also escaped but with two men, and they added many people from boat 15 which was overloaded and both boats went and rescued people from the water. Portside, boat 14 got away, but capsized in the water. That was a sad one- I wrote an article that was in the Irish Titanic Society Journal on that boat. 22 floated off and was put into good use. 3,7,9 sank with the ship.. filled with people. 5 was unusable. 17 was swamped in lowering. 20 fell down the side of the ship. That had Ogden Hammond in it. 18 I think sank with the ship. Isaac Lehmann thought it got away, but he may have been mistaken. He said it swung in, knocked himself and others over and swung back into position. I think 12 was another that fell while lowering. That would be the one Josephine Brandell was in. I hope this helps.
Well the most succesful officer was Arthur Rowland Jones, in getting away the boats. He was helped a bit by John Idwal Lewis, but most of Lewis's boats did not get away.
I have a good idea who was in 11,13,15 and a sketchy idea who was in 19 and 21. #1 also escaped but with two men, and they added many people from boat 15 which was overloaded and both boats went and rescued people from the water. Portside, boat 14 got away, but capsized in the water. That was a sad one- I wrote an article that was in the Irish Titanic Society Journal on that boat. 22 floated off and was put into good use. 3,7,9 sank with the ship.. filled with people. 5 was unusable. 17 was swamped in lowering. 20 fell down the side of the ship. That had Ogden Hammond in it. 18 I think sank with the ship. Isaac Lehmann thought it got away, but he may have been mistaken. He said it swung in, knocked himself and others over and swung back into position. I think 12 was another that fell while lowering. That would be the one Josephine Brandell was in. I hope this helps.
Tarn Stephanos
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Tarn Stephanos
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Mike, how many lifeboats made it to Queenstown- Did any wash ashore? And do any still exist today?
With the difficulties in launching lifeboats from the lusitania, I wonder if any changes were later made on the Mauretania? Perhaps improved davits?
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Tarn Stephanos
With the difficulties in launching lifeboats from the lusitania, I wonder if any changes were later made on the Mauretania? Perhaps improved davits?
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Tarn Stephanos
Michael H. Standart
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>>I have to wonder- If the Lucy had been fitted with Welin style davits, would more boats have gotten away?<<
I'd be a bit skeptical of that. I've worked a welin type davit and while they're easier to swing out, once you lower a boat, you're still doing it manually.
I'd be a bit skeptical of that. I've worked a welin type davit and while they're easier to swing out, once you lower a boat, you're still doing it manually.
Jim Kalafus
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To what Mike Poirier said may be added that the failure of any of the port side boats to get away was more the fault of an order being given to evacuate them and cease lowering than it was of the list or the davits. The list was severe at first and then the Lusitania recovered. A uniform theme among survivor accounts of those who were on the port side was that they were at, or in, lifeboats and compelled either not to enter, or to get out, by members of the crew following orders that had been given by an unnamed officer. So, whether it was Welin davits or not is irrelevant~ the relevant fact is that during the time it was possible to get boats safely away from the port side, no effort was made to lower them.
Martin Owen Cahill
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Hi Michael Poirier'
Thanks for that. The only sequence analysis I have read has bee from Simpson's book and that book has been questioned more and more.
"orders that had been given by an unnamed officer"
Hi Jim, I thought that was Turner who issued that order and Staff Capt. Anderson drowned trying to carry out. [I think recent discussion suggests he was knocked overboard.] Could the wash have carried him into one of the screws? In the absence of careering lifeboats down the Port boat deck this could be the case. The ship was still underway and the wash could have swamp the boats if lowered too soon.
"I wrote an article that was in the Irish Titanic Society Journal on that boat. 22 floated off"
The boats are an article in their own right. and I would be keen to read both.
"Do we know which officers lowered which lifeboats,"
Hi Tarn,
What I read somewere was that Port was divided between Bestic boats 2-10 and Anderson boats 12-22
with Starboard between Lewis boats 1-9 and Jones boats 11-21.
cheers
Martin
Thanks for that. The only sequence analysis I have read has bee from Simpson's book and that book has been questioned more and more.
"orders that had been given by an unnamed officer"
Hi Jim, I thought that was Turner who issued that order and Staff Capt. Anderson drowned trying to carry out. [I think recent discussion suggests he was knocked overboard.] Could the wash have carried him into one of the screws? In the absence of careering lifeboats down the Port boat deck this could be the case. The ship was still underway and the wash could have swamp the boats if lowered too soon.
"I wrote an article that was in the Irish Titanic Society Journal on that boat. 22 floated off"
The boats are an article in their own right. and I would be keen to read both.
"Do we know which officers lowered which lifeboats,"
Hi Tarn,
What I read somewere was that Port was divided between Bestic boats 2-10 and Anderson boats 12-22
with Starboard between Lewis boats 1-9 and Jones boats 11-21.
cheers
Martin
Tarn Stephanos
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Hi Martin and Jim
Thanks for the detailed information- Its amazing how we not only know who occupied each of titanic's lifeboats, but we also know the order amd times during which they were launched-
Do Lusitania buffs have a good feel as to the order in which the Lusitania's boats were launched? Of course, having gone down in 18 minutes, there would hardly be enough time to fill and lower all the boats....
Thanks for the detailed information- Its amazing how we not only know who occupied each of titanic's lifeboats, but we also know the order amd times during which they were launched-
Do Lusitania buffs have a good feel as to the order in which the Lusitania's boats were launched? Of course, having gone down in 18 minutes, there would hardly be enough time to fill and lower all the boats....
Jim Kalafus
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>I thought that was Turner who issued that order and Staff Capt. Anderson drowned trying to carry out...
Possibly- The passengers, speaking within a few days of the disaster, were specific about the order but vague about who gave it. Nonetheless, it was one of the more regrettable aspects of the sinking and the amount of anger voiced by people who were in the boats and compelled to get out was remarkable ~ Miss Maycock comes to mind, with her bitter letter in which she details this.
>Could the wash have carried him into one of the screws?
I don't know. But, I believe that his body was recovered, which suggests that he was not pulled into the screws.
Possibly- The passengers, speaking within a few days of the disaster, were specific about the order but vague about who gave it. Nonetheless, it was one of the more regrettable aspects of the sinking and the amount of anger voiced by people who were in the boats and compelled to get out was remarkable ~ Miss Maycock comes to mind, with her bitter letter in which she details this.
>Could the wash have carried him into one of the screws?
I don't know. But, I believe that his body was recovered, which suggests that he was not pulled into the screws.
Martin Owen Cahill
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"his body was recovered, which suggests that he was not pulled into the screws."
Hi Jim,
If the screws were under power it would be messy but if they were not under power
they could still knock him unconcious or5 kill him. If the body was battered this may explain it
or
#18 sent him flying and killed him.
cheers
Martin
Hi Jim,
If the screws were under power it would be messy but if they were not under power
they could still knock him unconcious or5 kill him. If the body was battered this may explain it
or
#18 sent him flying and killed him.
cheers
Martin
Tarn Stephanos
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Didn't Charles Lauriat assert that at no time the screws came out of the water?
Mike Poirier
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Hi Tarn- I answered that part of your question above. I can find a few more sources for the screws if you want.
Mike
Charles Lauriat was upforward (in the vicinity of boat 7) swimming away from the ship- I highly doubt he would have really noticed.
Mike
Charles Lauriat was upforward (in the vicinity of boat 7) swimming away from the ship- I highly doubt he would have really noticed.
Mike Poirier
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The last few people who I think saw Anderson was James Brooks and Violet James. He was running aft.
Stanley C Jenkins
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A question has been raised concerning the paucity of information available in relation to the Lusitania's boats. I would suggest that this has something to do with the questions that were asked at the appropriate enquiries. In the case of the Titanic, the authorities obviously wanted to know why many boats were only half-filled, and why so many third class women and children were drowned. However, this issue was less pertinent in the case of the Lusitania and, in consequence, the questions were not asked in such detail.
Michael H. Standart
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The fact that the ship sank in around 18 minutes may have something to do with it as well. When time is as short as that, you don't bother keeping a logbook noting what time each boat is launched. You have much more important concerns...like just staying alive!
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