Sadly this is one which came up very often as a photograph showing dogs on Titanic but it is not. It is a photograph taken aboard the Berengaria (ex Imperator).
Thank you very much for your answer! There is a second (and last) picture circulating about the dogs, also alledgedly taken by father Brown before he left Titanic at Cobh.Sadly this is one which came up very often as a photograph showing dogs on Titanic but it is not. It is a photograph taken aboard the Berengaria (ex Imperator).
It is not one of the photos Browne took.I have no proof Father Browne took the picture (yet), I purchased "Titanic Souvenirs" but I don't have it in my possession yet.
It is not Titanic, the deck even did not look close to it. No idea what ship it is.And yes, the Smithsonian seems to claim this is an authentic Titanic picture...
Nevertheless, me too, I tend to believe that the accessladders of both the Titanic foreship and the stern are in a deck section with a solid (closed) ramp and not an open one like shown in this picture...
Sorry to say but Mrs. Isham did not had a dog. It is sad to see that this made up story is still making it's rounds online (it started several years ago with a baseless claim in a child book which was taken by some as a fact) along with the false photographs. It is known who had a dog with him and which dogs survived (they were taken into the lifeboats by their owners). Some of the dogs did stay in the cabins with their owners while others where in the kennel.However, the dogs (a Great Dane and a fox terrier) would be very 'convenient' as William Dulles had a fox terrier he claimed loss for and it might be that the Great Dane belonged to Elisabeth Anne Isham.
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I do not know how they count the dogs to came to a total of 12. Possibly they added the imaginary dog to Mrs Isham?! Aboard were in total 11 dogs.According to Pr Joseph Edgette of the Widener University, 12 dogs boarded the Titanic and were registered. Possibly there were a few more in the 2nd or 3rd class, but these dogs were probably more like 'smuggled'.
The general story goes that Astor released the dogs as Mrs. Astor claimed to have seen Kitty running up the deck when she looks back from the lifeboat. Mrs. Astor was in lifeboat No.4 which rowed aft along the port side. Makes one wonder how she was able to see that, also she is the only one stating it."someone must have set them free' (from the kennels situated at the F-deck, but which was immerged by then??) Or were they freed from another location (from the Boatdeck - similar to sistership Olympic)?"
The Astors had 2 dogs, both an Airedale. The other dog owner was Mr. Dulles he had a Scottish terrier.Anyway, our count misses 3 dogs.
Not to bring up a sad incident again, but what about the account from a passenger on the Bremen which passed though the wreckage and claimed to (unfortunately) see a passenger clutching a dog?That story made it's rounds but no survivor directly said to have seen it or that it happened at her or his boat. In short no one saw it.
Which source is it? I am afraid I have not seen it. The two dogs Astor had were mentioned by another survivor whose name just escape me. I would need to look though my notes as it is some time ago I have continue my research into it. (One of my very first articles in English was about the pets aboard Titanic.)The sources that suggest the Astors had two Airedales are the same sources that mention Mrs Elisabeth Ann Isham was accompanied by a Great Dane.
So I was right, the dog No. 12 is the "imaginary" dog of Mrs. Isham. She did not have one. And as I mentioned, no survivor ever mentioned to have seen such a scene, yet we sadly see how this story not only is presented as a fact but also connected to a person (Mrs. Isham).Pr Edgette of Widener University (Widener was the only one of three who survived the Titanic shipwreck) always mentions 12 dogs. His count includes Mrs Isham's Great Dane.
I have already mentioned it in my post #31, that it is believed (by some researchers) that it might have been a fur coat (or a body wearing a fur coat).Not to bring up a sad incident again, but what about the account from a passenger on the Bremen which passed though the wreckage and claimed to (unfortunately) see a passenger clutching a dog?
That would be Mrs Joanna Stunke on April 20th, 1912. What she saw is what she believed. She believed she saw a woman clutching (quote) a "shaggy St Bernard". What she saw is the fundamental pivot of a binary algoritm: the "yes" or "no" whether she saw a shaggy St Bernard held in the frozen arms of woman (that was not retrieved by one the chartered ships) or - what most believe today - a dark fur coat.Not to bring up a sad incident again, but what about the account from a passenger on the Bremen which passed though the wreckage and claimed to (unfortunately) see a passenger clutching a dog?
Sorry to say but I am afraid you are doing the same mistake as the people who came up with Miss. Isham had a dog by taking the account of Stunke and then looking which 1st class female passengers did not survive. We know Mrs. Isham had not dog. Aside from that the newspaper with the story from the woman who did not want to leave her dog had mention of a "young lady". Miss. Isham was 50 years old, so not one would call a young woman. There is no eyewitness or lifeboat number mentioned where this incident took place.. No one seems to know/proof with 100% certitude how many dogs there were on the Titanic: the number is at least 10 - it could be 12 as well
. The Isham story is not started by Marty Crisp (2004) in 'White Star: a dog on the Titanic': the story already circulated by then. Logically, it must have originated with Joanna Stunke's eyewitness statement and some simple maths following the reasoning: only the rich had their pets boarded. It was a woman Joanna saw clutching to a fur coat or a 'shaggy St Bernard'. Four first class women perished, three of them in eyewitnessed conditions. Isham was reported to have descended and ascended a lifeboat 'for reasons of her dog'. Her body was - if retrieved - not identified, her dissappearing or death is unwitnessed, general Gracie had his cabin next to her but did not recall to have seen her once. To me - if we take for truth all of the above - I count the exact same (non) validated parameters to accept the story of the big dog and Mrs Isham as well...
Which survivors mentioned it? I do not know one who stated to have seen it or that it happened at their lifeboat.Isham was reported to have descended and ascended a lifeboat 'for reasons of her dog'.