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Glenda Bowling

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I just finished reading Phil Gowan and Brian Meister's Titanic Research Article about the Gibson women and have to say that I'm amazed at what I read. And Pauline, that "old wretch from Hoboken" really looks like a Nazi. A great article guys!
 

Brian Meister

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Dear Glenda,

Thank you for the encouraging words about
the Gibson girls. It was fascinating having
the elements of the story unfold! This story
is definitely the reason why Phil and I have
spent over 50 years collecting everything
we could on the passengers and crew; to tell
their stories. Glad you enjoyed this one.
Stay tuned.
 
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Glenda Bowling

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>Don't know about Brian,but Phillip doesn't look that old either! But of course I know how old Phillip is....(blackmail, Phil?)
 

Beth Barber

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I agree with Glenda - This article sure was fascinating to read. I can't imagine all of the work that went into putting this together. Thank you Phil & Brian! I look forward to reading y'alls next article!

- Beth

So, what is the general consensus on Dorothy Gibson - Nazi spy or not? Her actions sure make you wonder.
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Phillip Gowan

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Good morning Beth and Glenda--thanks for the compliments. I personally believe that Dorothy did have some involvement with the Nazis but to what extent I doubt if we'll ever know. Her mother's actions after Dorothy's death just can't be ignored and to have been THAT pro-Nazi (and THAT close to her daughter) is just too suspicious. Although the authorities at the time thought Dorothy wasn't smart enough to be a spy, I have to wonder if she might have been a better actress than she was ever given credit for on the silent screen.

Yes, Phil has mostly gray hair and will be half a century old in less than 3 weeks. But as George Burns used to say, "it beats the alternative."

Thanks again,
Phil
 

Andrew Maheux

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That article was really well done and I look forward to reading many more.

Congratulations Brian and Phil !!!!

Andrew M.
 
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Good article indeed gentlemen! One to be proud of!
I heard that it takes a very smart person to play a dumb one. (It was being spoken about Ned Beatty who played Ottis in Superman.)
In reading the story, I was reminded in several occasions of the similarities to Mata Hari.
Any clues to who you will captivate us with next?
 
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Corinda Rich

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I also have just finished perusing your article, Phillip and Brian, and must say that it was certainly very thought-provoking and well-researched. IMO I think that Dorothy was sharp as a tack...throwing the hounds off the scent (so to speak) by continually reflecting on her mother's poor health, my thinking is that good ol' mum was perfectly hardy. I agree with the majority here, I think Dorothy was a superb actress and very intelligent. Thank you for your hard work...and remember, gentlemen, age is but a perception.
 
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Dennis Foley

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Where is this article? I looked under Titanic Research Articles but don't see it. Thanks. Dennis
 
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Corinda Rich

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Dennis,
If you return to Encyclopedia Titanica main page, under the New Research Articles heading, there is The Saga of the Gibson Women link to click onto.
Regards,
Cori
 
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Glenda Bowling

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Ah but Phillip, you are such a nice looking 1/2 century! So distingushed looking--- Some people age so gracefully, you are one of them....

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What an excellent piece on the Gibsons! Thank you Brian and Phillip for sharing this great sidebar on two "Titanic" women. Their survival instincts are evident throughout their lives, though they don't come across as particularly heroic--or admirable.
Warmest regards,
Doug
 

Phillip Gowan

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Douglas, Corinda, Andrew--many thanks for your comments. It was an interesting process finding out about these ladies.

Glenda, "distinguished" is just a nice way of saying mostly gray-haired!

Phil
 

Brian Meister

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Dear Colleen,

I wish I had seen your mention of Ned Beatty
sooner, but here goes. Last Fall, on a research
trip in England, I ran into Ned Beatty in a
baguette shop I frequent. As it was mere days
after the World Trade Center atrocity, there
were scant numbers of Americans travelling, and
it was a surprise to see him walk into the
shop. I went up to him, introduced myself,
and we sat down and had lunch. This was one
of the few times I did not have my camera
with me, but he did autograph my tube train
ticket! He is a terrific guy, and told me
to look him and his wife up when I returned.
It impressed me at that moment that we
were not fan and actor, but human beings
talking about our place in the world, and
the suddenness of life. We chatted about
his role as "Big Daddy" in Cat On A Hot
Tin Roof, and my research; also of our
families back home as the anthrax scare
came to light back home in the US.
Just thought I would share a neat time I
had. Hope it wasn't too boring or OT.
 
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I enjoyed that story very much Brian. What a nice person he truly seems to be! He has always been one of our family's more favorite actor!
Thanks again.
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