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Message: [QUOTE="Michael H. Standart, post: 182094, member: 79064"] >>Don't be too sure that it would not make a difference in the world today. I couldn't begin to do the mathematics, but 1,500+ lives can leave a big hole out there.<< I agree, and that was the whole point of my initial response to Sharon's proposition. Paul, I wouldn't disagree with the premise that losing two of their biggest ships...one befor she even had a chance to enter revenue service...had an impact. It couldn't possibly have been helpful over the long haul. Paul Louden-Brown goes into the other dynamics as well, such as the severe restrictions placed on immigration by the United States. From where I sit, changes in the market and just plain bad management did more to put the last nails into White Star's coffin then the loss of two ships ever could. [/QUOTE]