Edith Evans

Mike Poirier

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Do pictures of Edith exist? Since she was from a socially prominent family, perhaps her picture was in the newspaper. Or perhaps her sister Lena married and a descendant who has one.
Perhaps this a mission for our man Phil!
 
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Michael,

Phil would of course be my bet to turn up a photo if one exists but I believe this avenue must have been tried before. It has also always bugged me that no picture of Evans has surfaced. As you know in Geller's book she states none are known to exist. But like you I believe a little sleuthing is in order on this one. Maybe someday...

Randy
 

Mike Poirier

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Hi Randy:
Judging by the prominence of her family, I do wonder if one of the New York papers had a picture of her. As many of those young ladies had debutante parties and attended social events their picture appeared in the newspaper. Weren't they part of the group Daughters of the American Revolution or some such thing? Groups like that are famous for archives filled with old notes from meetings, pictures, etc
 
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Hi Mike,

We have a picture of Edith's sister Lena (in later years) but have been unsuccessful in tracking one down of dear Edith herself. I have exhausted all resources here in New York so I don't know where to turn next. My fellow researchers have turned up with the same thing - plenty of information - but no picture.

Keep the faith. I'm sure she'll allow us the opportunity to finally see her one day! She is one of my favorite Titanic passengers - all the more fascinating because she continues to remain visually elusive.

Hope to get together for a chat soon!

Best,

Mike
 

Mike Poirier

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Hi Mike:
I was hoping you'd see this message. Hmmmm....
So I take it Lena didn't leave any close relatives behind. It does amaze me that someone who was fairly well off didn't get her picture in the paper. Especially one with such a patriotic family tree.
I think Shell is do back from Merry Old England soon, so hopefully we can forge ahead with our plans.
See you soon,
Mike
 

Phillip Gowan

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Michael, I haven't been able to find a real photo of her but that search isn't over. I do have a document in which she describes herself as follows and I guess that is the next best thing until something more substantial turns up.:

At age 33

5 feet, 5 1/2 inches tall
Blue Eyes
Medium mouth
round chin
Dark blond hair
fair complexion
oval face.

That's the best I can do for now.

Phillip
 

Mike Poirier

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Excellent Phillip!
She sounds like quite a looker. Must have had a few shipboard swains. Anyhow, it does make me wonder about Seamna Lucas calling up to her about another boat being put down. According to other accounts, she had left the area, before the collapsible hit the water. It must have been some other poor woman.
 

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Lucas meant one of the boats on the deckhouse that was never launched. I don't see why he could not have been talking to Edith.
 

Mike Poirier

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Dave-
I knew what he meant about another boat. What I am saying is that if you read some surviving accounts of passengers, Edith had already left the area when D began lowering. SO for Lucas to be speaking to her is somewhat impossible. Like I said, he must have been calling up to some other poor woman.
 
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Let me throw this out to both Dave and Mike....Just curious, if "D" began lowering at sometime before its official launching time of 2:05am and "A" and "B" were still on the deckhouse being freed by various crew members, why couldn't Seaman Lucas be calling up to Miss Evans even if she had left "D" area...couldn't he possibly have been able to see her from below...due to the fact that by that time the ship had become much lower in the water and the distance from top deck to water was not as far. Like I said, I'm just curious. Maureen.
 
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Dear everyone; I don't know if Mrs Brown actually left in boat D...her own story hints at boat 4 rather than D. It was Col Gracie who put her in that boat, so it is perhaps (let me stress that this is my theory)possible that Miss Evans was left behind at boat No 4, not D. Second class passenger Martta Hiltunen was left behind at boat 4, and if the Richards were in it (I don't quite know if they were), then Mrs Chapman was also left behind at No 4, allegedly refusing to leave her husband.

Regards,

Peter
 
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Dear Peter,

I thought Gracie made it clear that he was on the Boat Deck (not A Deck where Boat 4 was loaded from) when he delivered Mrs. Brown & Miss Evans to the lifeboat. I believe he even specified that as they came up to the boat they found a circle had been formed of seaman and male passengers barring any other males from passing. This would certainly go w/ what we know happened at Boat D. I have not heard that Lightoller left any women on A Deck when Boat 4 was lowered. I'm sure if he'd seen any they would have been put in. Boat 4 was not full.

It's very curious, your point of the possibility of Mrs. Brown leaving in 4 rather than D. I defer to more expert minds to unravel this one.

Randy
 
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From Archibald Gracie's account "The Truth About the Titanic"

1. Archibald Gracie places a crew member: "Steward: Edward Brown" in the Englehardt Boat A.

2. Gracie was on the side with the odd numbers, so he would not have dealt with Boat "4".

3. Passenger Mrs J. M. Brown was in the Engelhardt Boat D. (This is not "Molly")

4. Passenger Mrs J.J. Brown was in Boat No 6 (with the infamous hichens (aka hitchens)) and no male passengers. This Mrs Brown is the famous "Molly" or Margaret Brown.

Hopefully this was helpful. Maureen.
 
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Boat number 4
Mrs Astor and maid (Miss Bidois), Miss Bowen, Mrs Carter and main (Miss Serepeca, Mrs Clark, Mrs Cummings, Miss Eutis, Mrs Ryerson and children (three, SR, E, and JB) plus a maid (Chandowson), Mts Stephenson, Mrs Thayer and maid, Mrs Widener and maid, plus crew and a stoweaway. {40 people I think)
Maureen.
(This is also per Gracie same source.)
 

Mike Poirier

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Keeping in mind that Gracie wrote this fresh after the disaster and not years later has some bearing on the lifeboat question. He freely states he was not prevented from being near boat 4. Here are his own words about what happened after helping with boat 4.
" and with other men passengers, we crossed over to the starboard quarter of the ship forward on the same boat deck. "
" meanwhile the crew were working on the roof of the officer's quarters to cut loose one of the englehardt collapsibles "

That is when he discovered Caroline and Edith. He then goes onto relate how the call was for women that there was a boat on the port side. And they had to cross over. But he was barred from going all the way.

I could quote more, but you get the idea Peter. It was clearly D that Caroline and Edith were about to board.
 
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Dear Michael,
Not sure anymore, but I think that you started this with the question about Edith Evans.

I have a theory for you. Do you think that historical documentation such as the 1900 and 1910 census maintained in DC could shed light on your initial question regarding data on Edith Evans?

Afterall, if she was 33 years old in 1912, then in 1900 she would have been 31 and in 1900 about 21. So she could have been a part of a census.

Also her parents may have been in the 1890 census. Finding where her parents lived may provide information regarding schools Edith may have attended. Once you find that, then try to locate school group photos. Or even special groups or awards photos were often taken. Coming out parties.

The school photos could help you. No doubt, if she were as beautiful as described, she most likely was up in the front row.

Anyway, the census stuff I believe is available for the public. Maureen.
 
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Dear everybody, re Edith Evans and Mrs Caroline Brown; I admit that I have only seen one interview with Mrs Brown, but she does describe the incidents occurring in and near boat No 4 only, nothing in her own account of what happened hints at boat D. This is why I thought that Miss Evans had been left behind at that boat, indicating the later boat might be one of the collapsibles on the port side. There was at least one other lady, and perhaps two, left at boat 4 when it was lowered away, not counting Miss Evans. Please note that I am not stating this as the truth or anything near it, it is just something to think about.....

Best regards,

Peter
 
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David Huffaker:

Just a note on genealgical research - There are very few records (less than 1%)of the 1890 US Census in existence. They burned up in a fire many years ago. Some of the then territories do have their own census records for the time period. The LDS Church now has a cd index of the 1880 census available to anyone interested. They also recently have come out with an index of the Western European records for the same period. They also have new cd indexes of vital records for both areas. These can be accessed at buildings they call "Stake Centers" in most countries. Ask for the Family History Center/Library.
 
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Dear Dave H. and Peter E-K. thanks for your information. I am no expert, especially on genealogy...that is my brother's expertise, but thanks for the info I will pass it on to him. I just thought it would help with the research to locate her if official records like that could be located.

At times, folks do not think to look in historical documentation to learn information taht can lead to more detailed information.

And I believe that I must have typed the age wrong, sorry about that. It I believe is listed as 36 here on this site. Sorry thanks for catching that Peter.
Maureen.